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today's Tuesday December 5th 339 days

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into the new year Jeff 26 days left

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that's right tonight we are live from

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our bunker somewhere in downtown Burbank

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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today was a very surreal day I'll get to

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all of that in just a bit of course

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because above us Burbank is full of

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smoke ashes we have got active fires

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burning around us right now as we

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broadcast I'll get to all of that in

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just a bit but the show must go on now

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we're not gonna do anything unsafe if we

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have to bail if we have to evacuate we

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will but until that point let's try to

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all right she's back with us and tonight

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irin revue kind of wrap-up show because

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so much stuff happened this year and

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things are going down right now with

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so we're gonna discuss all of that

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tonight and we'll take a look also into

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the future in 2018 and tomorrow night

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from England and we're gonna discuss his

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new book everything you need to know but

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it's not about that we prepped and got

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radio.com now we have been dealing with

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these fires burning all over Southern

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California and as I speak to you tonight

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we've got a huge fire burning right now

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above us they're calling that right next

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to Burbank they're calling that the

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Sylmar fire it's it's just it's just in

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the mountains right here behind us and

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so March the next city above us there's

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another one kind of in between called

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Sunland and and then down below that

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damn where there's a golf course and

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stuff and that is in between us and

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Sylmar and that right now the fire sound

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gotten down into that and is burning on

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pretty crazy now that's that's that fire

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got five percent containment right now

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it's now exceeded five thousand acres

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the one above us

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here on top of us that's 11,000 acres

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burned zero percent contained

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30 houses of burnt there I have no idea

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how many homes have burned out in

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Ventura that is also zero percent

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contained 50,000 acres over 70 square

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miles have burned today the fire moved

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13 miles from Ojai and I'm looking at it

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now right at the 101 freeway and the

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beach and looking at it now it's it's

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right there they're gonna have to close

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decisions about that right now and the

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mountains that are there when you drive

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through it's one of the most picturesque

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beautiful places ever and and the reason

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for that is the gorgeous mountains

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there it is completely out of control it

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this morning okay so let's let's back up

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so last night during the broadcast as we

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about this but the wind started to kick

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hour winds and and as soon as they

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announced that on the radio you know on

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the news and if you live here in

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Southern California the first thing that

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fires okay who's gonna be first what

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what you know what's gonna go down and

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so there you go so we started this show

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last night and the the winds were really

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out of control and I said that last

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night on the show said okay here we go

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you know this is this is some crazy

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crazy weather that is going down and

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then all of Southern California started

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losing power including us

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and so after losing power two times

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during the show a couple of times while

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and some other things that were just

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going down here routers and all kinds of

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things you know they all have to get

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rebooted we decided that there's just no

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way we could continue with the show so

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we go home close up the bunker you know

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we go and power is on and off all night

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long and the wind stuff bouncing off of

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our house you could just hear stuff all

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night long house shaking in the wind it

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was it was rough right and so I get up

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early this morning

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and I go outside to check out our house

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to make sure things were intact and I

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smell smoke

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right what's that now and I knew about

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the fire in Ventura so I am thinking

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this morning wow the winds at 75 miles

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away and it scary that's that's a lot of

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smoke you know that's what I was

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thinking what I didn't know that over my

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shoulder on the other side of our house

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if I had gone out to the front I would

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have seen the hills burning and and the

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fire coming at us

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and but I did not go on the house man

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what's going on and it was our daughter

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she's out in front of the house and she

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facetimes I was like oh my goodness and

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so it's been like that all day long

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evacuation orders things you know I

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immediately called Linda and had a

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conversation with her I don't know if

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the show's gonna go down tonight I don't

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know what's going on of course it was

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all it'll be safe do what you got to do

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if we do the show great if we don't

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great but you know it you know it's

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family and and and things first you know

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and she's right so we had to ride this

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out so we got everything ready here in

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in Southern California you know of

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course you know we have food we have new

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manna and what a better I mean I cannot

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say enough about new manna food storage

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because and I really mean this you never

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know when an emergency is about to

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happen right and yesterday things are

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cool you wake up this morning and it's

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Armageddon right the smoke that ash the

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fires the flames evacuation planes

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overhead of things water drop then it

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was off the hook out of control the

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smell you couldn't breathe and so anyway

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I'm going down the checklist food new

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manna yes I'm so happy about that

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batteries flashlights water yes check

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check check check animals are ready

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ready car ready are we good to go right

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and so after we got all of that stuff

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out of the way

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then I went got back back up a PCS big

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big ones for the studio for the bunker

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got those and and rewired so now all of

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that and we just kind of kicked back

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there okay now we need to ride this out

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and see what those fires going to do and

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and so it kind of avoided going south it

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was just basically going west I'm

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talking about the fire so

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it went past us and and it's sitting

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there now still not contained but it's

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staying in back of the the mountains

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somewhat it's come down into the valley

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into the golf course so anyway so

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there's that meanwhile throughout the

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day today Santa Clarita that fire burst

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it up and that is not that far from here

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and that's going on that's that Magic

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Mountain right up the freeway right up

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to five and and that took off and got

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out of control that is again five

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percent contained so we've got that you

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know the spot fires throughout the

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valley Porter Ranch and and in different

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places

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San Bernardino they had their thing

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today and of course Ventura County the

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the news today the live video all day

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today is somebody's house burning to the

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ground one after another after another

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it wasn't one it wasn't - I have no idea

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but it's in the hundreds and hundreds

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right now we have no i entire

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neighborhoods are gone in Ventura right

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here where we live 30 houses burnt down

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today and there's no telling what's

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gonna happen overnight and what we're

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gonna see in the morning waking up this

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morning like we did you go to bed in one

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way and you wake up and your day is just

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flipped upside down like it was today

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and and again I have been running and so

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is Rita since about seven o'clock and

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it's seven o'clock at night so no brakes

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or anything today just to get through

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and make sure that our families and

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those around us were safe so and then so

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this morning this is what kind of tipped

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things off so while this fight you know

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the news of the fire and the smoke

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overhead we posted all the pictures on

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Facebook and Twitter so you guys have

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seen that I shot some video today too I

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just decided not to post it but with all

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of that I'm out in front of my house and

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I

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we had trash cans that were blowing all

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over somebody and I look down and then

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there's shingles on the ground and I was

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like oh no not the rough that I walk out

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a good look a go cross the street look

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back and our roof was fine and I look

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over at my neighbor's house and his roof

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is gone it's just like man you know it's

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it's like that so he's got a you know

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great guy to him and his family and he's

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got to come home from work and deal with

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that and it's gonna get worse before it

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gets better I mean they are talking

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about these winds going on to Thursday

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and beyond it's only Tuesday

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and these fires are all zero percent

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contained so yeah okay so that's that's

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where we are at now last night when the

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power went out in the bunker a couple of

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times it was certainly a sign of things

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to come

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we did not just bail on the show last

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night

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you know Oh something came unplugged it

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was a very very very serious weather

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situation that was going on here and it

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if it was a warning it was an absolute

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warning it when you know when I say oh

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it's windy outside okay well I I hope

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that you understand now when when I'm

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talking about things like this yeah here

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are some pictures that mark Toronto that

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we post today I'll go ahead and retweet

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these now but tell you there you go

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there it is that's that's what it looked

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like from the front of our house today

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as you can see it's just you know we're

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on the north side of Burbank and this is

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the southern flank of the fire and it

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was right there man right there oh man

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okay so that's what we've been dealing

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with the good news is we are safe that

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that's the most important thing I don't

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want anybody out there to think that

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we're just broadcasting tonight

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you know you know make sure that the

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show must go on and and and we're doing

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that now now everything is safe

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everything is cool if anything goes nuts

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and we got to evacuate we will and we'll

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shut this thing down and and and go and

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do what we have to do okay

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all right now thank goodness River moon

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coffee I'm serious River moon got us

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through today let me tell you hmm

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all right on a on a really good last

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week that's just from one of those moods

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and when it comes to Amazon I haven't I

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haven't really bitten the Amazon Apple

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and and dove into the addiction but I

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got to tell you something Amazon makes

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it will way too easy to order stuff and

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I found out last week so I'm just

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goofing around I was like espresso

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machines

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yeah click click click espresso machine

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delivered and now here in the bunker all

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I have to do is it's always hot it's

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always running and you just it's it's

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not even annoyance it's just press the

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button and you've got a spray you know

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well you got to clean the thing and tap

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it out but if I wanted to do 10

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espressos if it were I could just man do

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I love my River moon coffee espresso

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grind fade to black blend man get

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yourself in the we got a DeLonghi I

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think mmm

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so good so that's what I'm drinking

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right now big mug of espresso okay uh

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tonight's Linda Moulton Howe is here she

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is live and she'll be with us in a few

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short minutes I want to remind everybody

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a few things going on our next event

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will be the conscious life Expo with

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Linda Moulton Howe February 9th through

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where tickets info food lodging all of

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that information is there Friday night

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at the conscious life Expo I will be

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hosting the ancient aliens panel and

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Linda is on that panel every year and

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it's great this is I think this is the

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third year now that I've done this panel

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over there and this year we have Linda

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we have David Wilcock Corey Goode J

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Widener and William Henry all stars on

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ancient aliens and there you go so Linda

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will be here tonight and she will be at

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I don't know it can't be right but the

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email said something like you know it

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in your archive and I stopped it stopped

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that's a long time and that just

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realized we've only been on the air for

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four right go ahead

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this fourth year fifth year it can't be

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15 but I suppose if you did one a week

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yeah yeah that will be 12 year if you

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did it once a week it would be twelve

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that's what I do I do the drops from new

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as well over on our membership area okay

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let's get this show crackin Linda is

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gonna be here in just a second I do want

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to say happy birthday to today Little

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Richard little Richard is 85 years old

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okay Naomi says 766 episode by three

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hours two thousand two hundred ninety

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eight hours that is 95.7 five days yeah

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24 hours a day

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what could you imagine that 24 hours a

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day for 90 96 days that's uh I think

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they deemed that illegal that's some

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kind of illegal torture that's like

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waterboarding forcing somebody dead

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listen to fade to black 24 hours a day

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Little Richard today is 85 on the stay

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in history OTD 1945 it went down because

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at 2:10 p.m. five US Navy Avenger

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torpedo bombers comprising flight 19

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take off from Fort Lauderdale Naval Air

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Station in Florida on a routine

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three-hour training mission flight 19

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never returned it was lost forever

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in the Bermuda Triangle Fader fact some

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embedded

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Fader fact the world's most expensive

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phone number was auctioned in Qatar that

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phone number was six sixty six six six

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six six and it sold for 1.75 million

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dollars in 2006 that my friends is a

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fader fact man think about that six six

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six six six six two million dollar Qatar

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2 as well that's the crazy thing the

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previous record-holder before that was

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sold in Beijing that number was eight

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eight eight eight eight eight eight

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eight two hundred and seventy thousand

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dollars I can kind of see that I can

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kind of 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 all right

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800 number I guess for your corporation

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easy enough to remember 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 80

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88 88 right whatever but 6 6

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six six six six six for almost two

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million dollars who's got that number

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and it's in Qatar

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you could probably dial that number what

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is you know what let's think about this

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for a second let's think about this

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what is Qatar's country code get the

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country code you can dial that phone

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number that means somebody will pick it

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up in Qatar should we do that I can

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this is fade to black I'm your old Jimmy

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dirt tonight Linda Moulton Howe is here

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we're gonna do a nice calm cool and

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we always seem to you know do this at

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this time of year with Linda too as well

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University with a master's degree in

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communication she has devoted her

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writing and reporting career to

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productions concerning science medicine

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misawa's received a local national and

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international awards including three

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regional Emmys a national Emmy

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nomination and a station Peabody Award

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she produces reports and edits birth

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files.com you need to start off your day

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every day over there at Earth files she

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has her own radio program with John

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coast to coast am every single month

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with George Noory ancient aliens of

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course since its first season and and I

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love doing this so I need to take a deep

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addition to all of her research on earth

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files by the way she now has a new

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hunters and it's amazing you need to go

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and check that out and tonight we're

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gonna take a look at the events of 2017

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her latest research and of course we'll

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take a look at 2018 I would love to

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welcome back to fade to black the one

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and only Linda Moulton Howe Linda good

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evening

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Oh Thank You Jimmy very much and my

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blessings to you and to everybody in the

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Los Angeles Ventura County area because

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I've been trying to keep track of what

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has been happening on this fire and

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tonight the mayor of Los Angeles even is

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concerned because in addition to what

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has been happening in Ventura where you

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are in Los Angeles they have at least

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500 firefighters it saw a fire go from

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four thousand acres to 11,000 in just a

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few hours and that the 50,000 acres

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where you are that has been covered 78

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square miles it grew from nothing to

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this blaze that has taken out 78 square

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miles in 19 hours yes this is like dry

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kindling that's exploding yes and

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actually it's the opposite we're not in

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Ventura were where the mayor has been

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all day we're at the the the photographs

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that I sent you were were at that 11,000

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acre fire right here in Los Angeles yeah

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we're in Burbank and yeah and it now

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this is what this is what the audience

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doesn't know Linda that you and I at the

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crack of dawn this morning you know got

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on the phone to discuss the show tonight

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and I said Linda I need to tell you

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what's going on

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right and yeah and I I didn't know read

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and I slept through the night you know

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the power was going on and off and

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things were getting crazy but we woke up

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this morning to it's is it's a war zone

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it's a war that's the only way I can

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describe it it is completely out of

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control

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we are safe that's that's the good news

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you know the morning is going to bring

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what it brings but right now were okay

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okay so that's that's the main thing the

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family's safe the house is cool were in

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the bunker we have food we have water we

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have flashlights backup power and we

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have you and here we go

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so well thanks I'm glad

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to hear that because by this afternoon

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Governor Jerry Brown had declared a

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state of emergency in Ventura County and

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he had over a thousand firefighters

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battling at what's known now is the

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Thomas Fire northwest of Los Angeles and

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Governor Brown said on television quote

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this fire is very dangerous and

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spreading rapidly and it is critical

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that residents stay ready to evacuate

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immediately if told to do so and already

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tonight at least 27,000 people have

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evacuated and this is this is the crazy

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thing Linda wrap wrap your mind around

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us you know your scientific mind

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everything is zero percent contained

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that's it there's no containment here

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right and it's what I meant when I said

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it's like kindling and if you go back

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into this year of 2017 that in the what

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would have been July and August but

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there were I'm just getting my notes to

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make sure I give the temperatures right

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right there were days and days in July

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of near 100 degree Fahrenheit over and

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over and over that severely was drying

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out the Mountain West and then from

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there it moved to the northwest and the

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Pacific Northwest and they had remembers

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those just unrelenting high also near

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100 degrees Fahrenheit temperatures

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which was very unusual for the Pacific

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Northwest and then by the second week in

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October of 2017 in Sonoma County north

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of San Francisco 22 people died 200 were

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reported missing 3,000 homes plus were

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destroyed and Santa Rosa's wine country

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has now suffered 1.2 billion dollars in

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damages and now we can add the still

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unresolved evolving horror that is

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happening in Ventura and that fire in

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Los Angeles and when you say why

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why is this happening it is because we

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are in a state of what is called global

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warming in the relationship to that and

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that there have been science reports

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just in the last couple of weeks one of

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them that in the Proceedings of the

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National Academy of Sciences you can't

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get more credible than that was about

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global warming is already having effect

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on wildfires in a lot of places and they

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expect that it will become worse and

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worse and that the there is a group that

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is at the University of Idaho and they

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have also been reporting and they said

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in the last 60 to 90 days that this is

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broken records in terms of warrants we

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had in the Albuquerque Journal today on

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the front page it was November was the

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warmest on record for Albuquerque New

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Mexico the warmest and this is what as

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you go through and if you do Google's on

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00:39:38,970 --> 00:39:35,830
why are there wildfires what is

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00:39:41,550 --> 00:39:38,980
happening it is science paper after

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science paper and commentary about

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excessive heat that we have been getting

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in longer periods and even if there was

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a lot of rain in 2016 which there was it

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gets dried out so quickly when you get

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sustained temperatures in the 90s

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approaching a hundred and right now if

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we don't get a lot of rain coming out of

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this winter into the spring give me I

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cannot imagine what the West Coast of

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the United States would be like as we

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get into summer and fall of 2018 and

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this is something that I think we have

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to just stand up and face that we have

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turned some kind of a corner in the

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climate and what is going to continue to

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happen and that that means that humans

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00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:37,150
and political systems everywhere up and

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00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:39,520
down the west coast are now going to

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have to start thinking in terms of

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what to do to reduce the ability for

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fire to start and spread weathers

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populations just like on the East Coast

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and in Florida they're going to have to

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cope with the new reality that they're

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going to continue to be flooded and

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Miami is already being flooded for so

813
00:41:07,570 --> 00:41:05,900
many weeks out of each year so you've

814
00:41:09,790 --> 00:41:07,580
got two coasts with two different

815
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:09,800
problems but it's all related to global

816
00:41:16,780 --> 00:41:12,800
warming isn't it amazing how do you

817
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:16,790
remember in your journalistic career do

818
00:41:22,690 --> 00:41:19,970
you ever remember weather dominating the

819
00:41:27,580 --> 00:41:22,700
headlines like it has over the last six

820
00:41:30,130 --> 00:41:27,590
months no and if you go to like the

821
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:30,140
Atlanta Atlanta canned the New York

822
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:32,930
Times and some of the heavy hitters in

823
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:35,930
journalism they have been doing reports

824
00:41:42,370 --> 00:41:38,720
about why and what are the worries and

825
00:41:44,620 --> 00:41:42,380
where are we headed and they're in the

826
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:44,630
Proceedings of the National Academy of

827
00:41:48,490 --> 00:41:45,890
Sciences

828
00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:48,500
they are basically underscoring that we

829
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:53,390
are dealing with a human cause increase

830
00:42:00,430 --> 00:41:56,720
in global warming and when people argue

831
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,440
well up and down throughout the ages in

832
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:02,960
the centuries the planet has been warm

833
00:42:08,590 --> 00:42:05,450
the planet has been cold three or four

834
00:42:11,350 --> 00:42:08,600
times it's been an icy snowball but

835
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:11,360
here's the point that is left out in

836
00:42:18,970 --> 00:42:15,410
those arguments there is no time in the

837
00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:18,980
record of this planet where we have gone

838
00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:22,430
up in temperature rise within one

839
00:42:27,610 --> 00:42:25,220
century at the rate and the rapidity and

840
00:42:30,310 --> 00:42:27,620
it's related at the same time the

841
00:42:32,170 --> 00:42:30,320
parallel track it's it's the compression

842
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:32,180
of time where all this is taking place

843
00:42:39,970 --> 00:42:36,310
and when you look at graphs in from the

844
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:39,980
20th century to the 21st century in a

845
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:40,970
hundred years

846
00:42:47,380 --> 00:42:43,970
it's a spike Ameri these graphs at NOAA

847
00:42:50,050 --> 00:42:47,390
and NASA and other websites that will

848
00:42:52,990 --> 00:42:50,060
show you how it spikes up

849
00:42:53,980 --> 00:42:53,000
it's the rapidity we're doing this to

850
00:42:55,450 --> 00:42:53,990
ourselves

851
00:42:58,780 --> 00:42:55,460
in a very compressed

852
00:43:01,900 --> 00:42:58,790
moment in time in the earth and that is

853
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:01,910
why it is crucial that we try to do

854
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:04,630
something to address co2 and methane

855
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:09,290
emissions is it is it too late you know

856
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:11,810
have we gone too far with Mother Nature

857
00:43:17,830 --> 00:43:15,290
now you know pushing this that maybe we

858
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:17,840
can't even reverse things what do you

859
00:43:26,620 --> 00:43:24,710
think well I had Kevin Trenberth from n

860
00:43:30,430 --> 00:43:26,630
car the National Center for Atmospheric

861
00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:30,440
Research up in Boulder on earth files

862
00:43:36,070 --> 00:43:34,310
and coast-to-coast just it was starting

863
00:43:39,850 --> 00:43:36,080
at the period of time when there were

864
00:43:42,310 --> 00:43:39,860
the fires that were starting to spread

865
00:43:45,490 --> 00:43:42,320
from Montana and Canada which by the way

866
00:43:48,010 --> 00:43:45,500
Canada had the worst fire season in

867
00:43:50,980 --> 00:43:48,020
British Columbia ever ever on record

868
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:50,990
this year and so I went to Kevin

869
00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:52,970
Trenberth that I interviewed before and

870
00:43:57,610 --> 00:43:55,540
he's one of the single most respected

871
00:44:00,850 --> 00:43:57,620
atmospheric physicists in the world

872
00:44:04,330 --> 00:44:00,860
quite literally a wonderful wonderful

873
00:44:08,290 --> 00:44:04,340
scientist and I asked him exactly that

874
00:44:15,340 --> 00:44:08,300
question and you hear he's very measured

875
00:44:18,340 --> 00:44:15,350
he's very wise he's he tries to make

876
00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:18,350
every word count in terms that he had

877
00:44:23,770 --> 00:44:21,230
has data to back up what he says but

878
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:23,780
when I asked him that question is it too

879
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,310
late there was a pause I'm what you then

880
00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:30,800
hear from him and from other scientists

881
00:44:37,810 --> 00:44:35,030
is they don't want to concede that we

882
00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:37,820
can't do something about it but they

883
00:44:45,490 --> 00:44:41,990
always say that we for the rest of this

884
00:44:49,060 --> 00:44:45,500
century it is going to be constant

885
00:44:52,810 --> 00:44:49,070
change that is going to be impacted by

886
00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:52,820
increasing global climate warming and

887
00:45:00,700 --> 00:44:56,140
that means that in a way the answer is

888
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:00,710
we can't stop it at this point unless we

889
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:04,640
did a huge I'm going to say we put a

890
00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:07,490
huge stop on co2 and methane I don't

891
00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:09,390
know how humans would ever do that

892
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:12,780
but we have to start trying to take it

893
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:15,330
really seriously globally and at least

894
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:18,300
make an effort so that it isn't going to

895
00:45:24,380 --> 00:45:21,930
continue to spike and get a thicker

896
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:24,390
what's called the blanket of co2 and

897
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:27,090
methane if the blanket gets thicker and

898
00:45:33,980 --> 00:45:29,160
thicker because we're not trying to

899
00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:33,990
restrict then the rate of warming where

900
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:36,140
we live on the surface of the planet it

901
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:39,090
accelerates it's really just kind of a

902
00:45:46,310 --> 00:45:42,720
function of physics and math and it's

903
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:46,320
happening and so the scientists would

904
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:48,690
like to encourage everybody to feel like

905
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,110
that we have still options and that

906
00:45:57,980 --> 00:45:55,440
instead of getting out of climate

907
00:46:02,000 --> 00:45:57,990
agreements with the world that we should

908
00:46:04,780 --> 00:46:02,010
be trying to lead how are we going to

909
00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:04,790
get a handle on having a progressive and

910
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:07,470
exciting future to the end of this

911
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:11,760
century while still being I guess I want

912
00:46:17,570 --> 00:46:14,370
to say saviors of our own selves and our

913
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,580
own planet by taking this seriously and

914
00:46:23,090 --> 00:46:19,920
trying to come up with ways that we

915
00:46:27,260 --> 00:46:23,100
could cut back co2 and nothing and right

916
00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:27,270
now from everything that I read the

917
00:46:34,310 --> 00:46:30,420
people that I do interviews with it's

918
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:34,320
more and more frustration because there

919
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:37,050
are some political groups in other parts

920
00:46:42,290 --> 00:46:39,900
of the world that are really trying hard

921
00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:42,300
and then there are other large countries

922
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:46,440
and this one's included now that are not

923
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:50,640
on they will say the same square of

924
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:53,250
trying to get collaboration

925
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:54,510
country-to-country

926
00:47:00,590 --> 00:46:57,720
to take this seriously and come up with

927
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:00,600
increasing numbers of ways that we can

928
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:02,610
stop contributing so much the atmosphere

929
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:06,450
and there is both the question and in a

930
00:47:14,660 --> 00:47:11,520
way a kind of mystery are we humans for

931
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:14,670
the rest of the 21st century are we

932
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:19,200
going to be with kind of blinders on

933
00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:22,290
because we don't want the hard facts to

934
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:23,220
be real

935
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,050
are we going to go forward to the rest

936
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:27,440
of this century in a kind of denial

937
00:47:34,550 --> 00:47:32,490
where everybody says well the United

938
00:47:36,859 --> 00:47:34,560
States had a period of time where they

939
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:36,869
burn coal and it's their responsibility

940
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:41,220
and now we need to burn coal we can't do

941
00:47:48,109 --> 00:47:44,910
that anymore it can't be the provincial

942
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:48,119
tribal approach to what we're doing with

943
00:47:53,060 --> 00:47:49,770
energy and contributing to the

944
00:47:58,910 --> 00:47:53,070
atmosphere we've got to turn into a

945
00:48:01,130 --> 00:47:58,920
planet sort of of one species that

946
00:48:04,820 --> 00:48:01,140
understand some of the physics and the

947
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:04,830
consequences of what we do as a 7.2

948
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:08,490
billion and expanding civilization

949
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:13,710
instead of tribal warfare and if looking

950
00:48:18,859 --> 00:48:16,050
over at a neighbor and saying you got to

951
00:48:21,890 --> 00:48:18,869
burn coal so I want to burn coal we have

952
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:21,900
to get past that in order to survive and

953
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:23,940
that I think in the answer to your

954
00:48:30,020 --> 00:48:26,580
question and it's what Kevin Trenberth

955
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:30,030
tried to deal with the complexities of

956
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:35,359
this that we are past the point of being

957
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:39,359
on a planet where we could live as they

958
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:41,910
did a hundred years ago without worrying

959
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:44,400
about consequences that is the big

960
00:48:51,170 --> 00:48:48,000
change the consequences are now being

961
00:48:54,349 --> 00:48:51,180
rubbed in our face by what is happening

962
00:48:56,839 --> 00:48:54,359
with wildfires and desertification and

963
00:49:01,880 --> 00:48:56,849
flooding in Miami that's going to get

964
00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:01,890
worse and the problems of the migrations

965
00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:05,099
of humans in Bangladesh and other parts

966
00:49:11,329 --> 00:49:07,980
of this world now that don't have food

967
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:11,339
and are having to move in the hundreds

968
00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:14,490
of thousands that is a reality that

969
00:49:21,050 --> 00:49:17,099
wasn't here a hundred years ago as well

970
00:49:23,420 --> 00:49:21,060
I and then I have this weird thought go

971
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,430
with me on this for a second one just go

972
00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:26,160
with me I had this weird thought there's

973
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,780
part of me that wants to see Antarctica

974
00:49:36,530 --> 00:49:32,880
melt so we can see what's underneath it

975
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:36,540
right so they can't hide it you know

976
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:37,200
what I mean

977
00:49:44,420 --> 00:49:40,170
there's third there but we can't have

978
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,430
both obviously but that they are hiding

979
00:49:51,260 --> 00:49:47,280
something down there and I think that

980
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:51,270
they are really frantic right now with

981
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:53,130
the melting that is going on not only

982
00:49:59,300 --> 00:49:55,650
nowt arctica but Greenland and I read

983
00:50:01,820 --> 00:49:59,310
what was it was it in Chile the the part

984
00:50:04,430 --> 00:50:01,830
of this glacier just just cracked and

985
00:50:07,610 --> 00:50:04,440
fell off and I'm like okay we're closer

986
00:50:10,730 --> 00:50:07,620
to them not being able to hide anything

987
00:50:13,340 --> 00:50:10,740
from us but we're getting it at a cost

988
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:13,350
you know what I mean yeah oh yeah

989
00:50:20,660 --> 00:50:17,310
because we had that big Ross glacier

990
00:50:25,340 --> 00:50:20,670
came up this summer that big break right

991
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:25,350
and behind it even though this Delaware

992
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:28,710
sized chunk of ice which is apparently

993
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:31,310
also melting faster than they thought

994
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:35,490
behind it it was we'll call it floating

995
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:36,180
on the water

996
00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:39,660
the way you would have an ice cube in a

997
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:42,390
glass and your water in your glass

998
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:45,570
doesn't overflow because the water and

999
00:50:51,490 --> 00:50:49,440
the ice cube have a physics trade-off in

1000
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:51,500
that volume that's inside of that glass

1001
00:50:58,610 --> 00:50:56,010
but if you take that analogy and you say

1002
00:51:02,450 --> 00:50:58,620
that behind where the Ross glacier fell

1003
00:51:07,790 --> 00:51:02,460
there is a huge volume of ice that is on

1004
00:51:10,850 --> 00:51:07,800
a land it is all of that ice that is now

1005
00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:10,860
the pressure holding it back has been

1006
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:14,220
released somewhat by the collapse of

1007
00:51:20,510 --> 00:51:17,460
this big chunk of ice into the ocean and

1008
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:20,520
that means that ice that is on the land

1009
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:23,490
in Antarctica is going to be freer to

1010
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:26,610
move forward into the ocean that's when

1011
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:29,760
we start accelerating sea level rise and

1012
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:32,910
the fact that the melt seems to be going

1013
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:35,970
more rapidly than they expected I needs

1014
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:38,490
to be also addressed in this way you

1015
00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:40,650
will hear other people who will argue oh

1016
00:51:47,330 --> 00:51:43,430
well but there have been ice buildup in

1017
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,340
Antarctica and their areas where they've

1018
00:51:50,930 --> 00:51:50,160
had thicker ice it's all part of the

1019
00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:50,940
same compute

1020
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:53,160
programs have been analyzing what would

1021
00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:56,310
happen if we had X percentage degrees

1022
00:52:02,630 --> 00:51:59,700
increase in Fahrenheit over a small

1023
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:02,640
period of time you will get these big

1024
00:52:08,420 --> 00:52:05,130
swings in the dynamics of wind and

1025
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:08,430
moisture in the air and that's why we

1026
00:52:13,940 --> 00:52:11,310
can be in global warming and a section

1027
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:13,950
of Antarctica might have a buildup in

1028
00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:18,930
ice but places like where the big right

1029
00:52:25,540 --> 00:52:22,920
rough chunk fell off would be where it

1030
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:25,550
is melting faster and it's these

1031
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:28,410
contradictions that I think that the

1032
00:52:32,780 --> 00:52:30,210
public in general has a hard time

1033
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:32,790
accommodating because you will hear

1034
00:52:38,270 --> 00:52:35,609
these what seem opposite but it's

1035
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:38,280
absolutely part of the computer modeling

1036
00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:40,410
of what happens when the atmosphere is

1037
00:52:48,140 --> 00:52:43,670
warming and we are getting accelerated

1038
00:52:50,420 --> 00:52:48,150
melt and the Arctic we are at a point

1039
00:52:54,829 --> 00:52:50,430
where the Arctic has melted so much and

1040
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:54,839
continues each year to have as much or

1041
00:52:59,210 --> 00:52:56,490
more melt than the year before

1042
00:53:01,760 --> 00:52:59,220
and I already there have been some

1043
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:01,770
headlines about Russia and some other

1044
00:53:06,829 --> 00:53:03,930
countries that are looking to doing

1045
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:06,839
permanent trade areas in the Arctic and

1046
00:53:11,780 --> 00:53:09,170
so we're getting into geopolitical

1047
00:53:14,420 --> 00:53:11,790
potential of geopolitical territorial

1048
00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:14,430
conflicts just about things like sea

1049
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:17,700
lanes where places like art the Arctic

1050
00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:20,040
are opening up as they've never never

1051
00:53:25,490 --> 00:53:22,920
been in human history this is the

1052
00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:25,500
reality that we're in nothing is going

1053
00:53:30,319 --> 00:53:27,300
to go back like they say you can't go

1054
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:30,329
home again we're on a planet now that is

1055
00:53:36,020 --> 00:53:33,810
making a big change and it isn't going

1056
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:36,030
to be like it was a hundred years ago

1057
00:53:42,260 --> 00:53:39,930
for maybe never but at least for a very

1058
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:42,270
long time do you think we're going to

1059
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:43,440
head towards a break here in four

1060
00:53:48,859 --> 00:53:45,660
minutes Linda but do you think that all

1061
00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:48,869
of this has something to do while

1062
00:53:51,950 --> 00:53:50,310
everything is connected when it comes to

1063
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:51,960
mother nature and planet Earth for sure

1064
00:53:57,500 --> 00:53:55,290
but the the migrations of the monarch

1065
00:54:02,859 --> 00:53:57,510
butterflies and the bees and the bee

1066
00:54:04,670 --> 00:54:02,869
population which are critical to our

1067
00:54:07,010 --> 00:54:04,680
seasons and our

1068
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:07,020
in our plants and fruits and vegetable

1069
00:54:11,420 --> 00:54:09,599
and everything else that's all connected

1070
00:54:17,539 --> 00:54:11,430
do you think that that has anything to

1071
00:54:19,609 --> 00:54:17,549
do with global warming well the problems

1072
00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:19,619
with the migration of the butterflies

1073
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:23,369
there's two or three pronged the overuse

1074
00:54:32,180 --> 00:54:27,920
of insecticides in the United States

1075
00:54:35,029 --> 00:54:32,190
combined with changes in temperatures

1076
00:54:37,370 --> 00:54:35,039
that come at the wrong times or are

1077
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:37,380
incompatible with what have been the

1078
00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:39,450
centuries long migration of those

1079
00:54:45,019 --> 00:54:41,940
beautiful butterflies if they get caught

1080
00:54:48,140 --> 00:54:45,029
where it's warm and then it goes cold

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suddenly which has been the dynamics are

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swinging more than they go from cold to

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hot and these kinds of swings and

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00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:00,089
dynamics can end up trapping something

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like hundreds of thousands of

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butterflies trying to get from the

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United States down south and the

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pesticides would they need to eat

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milkweed and in many places milkweed is

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decimated and that means if there is no

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food for the butterflies and that goes

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to pesticides that we have several

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00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:24,510
problems now one of the things that's

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been very interesting to me as I started

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getting a lot of emails probably at

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least a year ago but the theme kept

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coming it was persistent and the number

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of emails have increased where people

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00:55:43,849 --> 00:55:40,529
have been writing to me from everywhere

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Europe and Middle Eastern Europe and

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Canada the United States Mexico a lot of

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places saying I can't see insects like I

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00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:53,819
used to used to drive in a car and my

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00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:55,619
windshield would be covered with insects

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00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,319
well there is a German science group and

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00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:00,960
they have been in fact investigating and

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finding that the numbers of insects in

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Europe where they have been doing

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studies in some places are down Jimmy

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00:56:18,289 --> 00:56:15,710
86% well okay now what would happen

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00:56:22,489 --> 00:56:18,299
literally what would happen

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00:56:25,999 --> 00:56:22,499
if we lost the valuable insects that are

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the food for birds and they are the

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00:56:32,779 --> 00:56:30,479
containment on so many other kinds of

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00:56:35,660 --> 00:56:32,789
scourges in the environment we need

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00:56:38,329 --> 00:56:35,670
insects what happens if they disappear

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00:56:40,429 --> 00:56:38,339
well there was a scientist in Germany he

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00:56:43,669 --> 00:56:40,439
was asked exactly that question by one

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of the news media there and he said with

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tongue-in-cheek I would suspect that the

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vertebrates will go extinct before the

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00:56:56,989 --> 00:56:53,999
insects well that's you me and

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00:56:59,839 --> 00:56:56,999
everything that has skeletal bones and

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00:57:02,650 --> 00:56:59,849
it was like he was making a wry joke

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00:57:06,109 --> 00:57:02,660
yeah the insects are on their way out

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00:57:09,169 --> 00:57:06,119
and the numbers compared to what might

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00:57:12,140 --> 00:57:09,179
happen to humans and mammals and

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00:57:14,779 --> 00:57:12,150
everything that's vertebrate they we

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00:57:18,709 --> 00:57:14,789
might end up being extinct before the

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insects now what we're going to have to

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00:57:24,769 --> 00:57:21,660
start monitoring I think more carefully

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00:57:26,479 --> 00:57:24,779
is as we get into 2018 I think there are

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00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:26,489
scientists preparing those kinds of

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00:57:32,539 --> 00:57:30,329
investigations are there regions in the

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United States now where there really are

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00:57:40,009 --> 00:57:37,140
not insects and what does that mean if

1137
00:57:42,319 --> 00:57:40,019
it keeps expanding I think that is one

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00:57:45,549 --> 00:57:42,329
of the environmental mysteries now and

1139
00:57:48,769 --> 00:57:45,559
it's related to changing climate and

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00:57:52,099 --> 00:57:48,779
pesticides again because we know it it

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00:57:57,529 --> 00:57:52,109
is the nicotine based pesticides that

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00:58:00,289 --> 00:57:57,539
had been doing in the bees from 2006 7

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00:58:03,969 --> 00:58:00,299
when the first terms of colony collapse

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00:58:07,609 --> 00:58:03,979
disorder occurred and I did an interview

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with Dave Hackenberg in Pennsylvania he

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00:58:12,019 --> 00:58:09,119
was the guy who went to the University

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00:58:15,650 --> 00:58:12,029
of Pennsylvania and said I just lost 80%

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00:58:18,739 --> 00:58:15,660
of my honeybees please find out what is

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00:58:22,179 --> 00:58:18,749
wrong and it began there and when I did

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00:58:24,650 --> 00:58:22,189
an interview with him that February of

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00:58:26,660 --> 00:58:24,660
2007 after he had done that report the

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00:58:28,579 --> 00:58:26,670
University of Pennsylvania he told me in

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00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:28,589
that interview that he and other

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honeybee growers in Pennsylvania

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00:58:37,810 --> 00:58:34,290
talking among themselves they were all

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saying the same thing we think it is the

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00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:41,460
then-new nicotine based pesticides that

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00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:44,700
are killing our bees and now in 2017

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00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:47,510
there have been so many tests that

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00:58:53,390 --> 00:58:50,910
finger the nicotine based pesticides as

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00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:53,400
being a huge killer down to a

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00:58:58,250 --> 00:58:56,310
sensitivity meaning you could reduce the

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nicotine based pesticide down to

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00:59:02,690 --> 00:59:01,050
something at a molecular levels and it's

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00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:02,700
still going to have an impact on

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honeybees they're that sensitive and

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00:59:12,310 --> 00:59:09,120
Italy France parts of Europe they are

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00:59:16,030 --> 00:59:12,320
banning but in the United States

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00:59:19,570 --> 00:59:16,040
Monsanto and others are persisting with

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00:59:23,090 --> 00:59:19,580
nicotine based pesticides that we know

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00:59:27,740 --> 00:59:23,100
how are devastating to honeybees and

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00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:27,750
pollinators and yeah I know I have to

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00:59:32,570 --> 00:59:29,610
take a break right here so let's do that

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00:59:35,690 --> 00:59:32,580
we'll pick up right here room when we

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00:59:37,940 --> 00:59:35,700
come back but also we've got to jump in

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00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:37,950
your reporting and research on these

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blooms we've got to go feet first into

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this and let's do that when we come back

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our guest tonight Linda Moulton Howe

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we're doing a 2017 wrap-up and I look

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forward to 2018 this is fade to black

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I'm your host Jimmy Church we'll be

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this is fade to black with Jimmy Church

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Linda the and you and I I remember a

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couple of years ago you and I oh you

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know what I wanted to mention before I

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move forward we're going to be at the

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conscious life Expo together again this

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year and and we will be you're going to

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be on you know the panel ancient aliens

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panel on on Friday night that's going to

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01:04:44,809 --> 01:04:41,009
be great but no Jim Marrs this year and

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01:04:46,669 --> 01:04:44,819
so this is yeah and god bless him but I

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01:04:47,659 --> 01:04:46,679
really think he's out there in another

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01:04:52,059 --> 01:04:47,669
dimension

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so interact so we're gonna do a tribute

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01:04:58,099 --> 01:04:55,109
to Jim Marrs at the ancient aliens panel

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and I was thinking about something today

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01:05:05,419 --> 01:05:02,849
about that and do you remember this is

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for the audience to enjoy I think it was

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probably four years ago I'm not sure

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01:05:14,509 --> 01:05:12,239
where we were at but you Jim and I were

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01:05:18,439 --> 01:05:14,519
it was at night and we were standing

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01:05:20,089 --> 01:05:18,449
under a tree and we were three of us

1279
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:20,099
were talking I think Don Schmidt was

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there too and we were we were talking

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01:05:28,579 --> 01:05:25,799
and this is what is funny the audience

1282
01:05:30,259 --> 01:05:28,589
is probably imagining you Mars myself

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01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:30,269
and Schmidt standing there talking about

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01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:34,529
UFOs we were talking about our family we

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01:05:37,699 --> 01:05:36,089
were talking about health do you

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01:05:40,009 --> 01:05:37,709
remember that we were just talking about

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it I think it we were done in Roswell

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yeah we were somewhat was under a tree

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that's all I remember

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and and and and what a great moment that

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was and and we were all together there

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01:05:55,579 --> 01:05:53,400
and I just missed that guy and I look

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forward to to our time together

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01:05:59,730 --> 01:05:56,410
conscious

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or we could do a very fitting tribute to

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Jim Marrs yeah one of the funniest best

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people ever and from 1989 until he went

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to another dimension this year

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he and I if we were colleagues in

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content he would call me up with you've

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got to call this phone number right now

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and the most he would say is and this is

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going to be a woman in Texas and Linda

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honest to god she has seen her best

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friend transfer from a human into a

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reptile and that was quite literal of

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something that happened a few years ago

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and and we knew each other well enough

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and we did so many interviews with

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people in exchange material but that he

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could do that Linda you have to call

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this number right now and this is who

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you're going to be talking to and so it

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was fun as well as very serious because

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I really do think get Jim in crossfire

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did the first real penetrating I'm going

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to use the word bigger truth about what

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had happened around the JFK

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assassination than anybody had done to

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that point because Jim like myself what

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we honored and honor is the pressure of

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fact in a political system that seems to

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always want to hide the facts and that's

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where Jim and I really were on the same

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page and it was really fun to work on

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various subjects with him I remember he

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told me a story one time about the two

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of you driving around like Colorado in

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01:07:55,950 --> 01:07:53,829
New Mexico in a pickup truck chasing

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cattle mutilations do you remember doing

1331
01:08:03,380 --> 01:08:00,670
that with Jim well I think I know that

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John Lear and I traveled in a pickup

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truck with some people from I think we

1334
01:08:12,030 --> 01:08:10,240
were started out and

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01:08:13,980 --> 01:08:12,040
I think it had been a conference and we

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went to Albuquerque and then we went

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further south to Roswell I know I did

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that with leer and I talked with Jim

1339
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:22,210
about that whole trip and who were who

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01:08:28,230 --> 01:08:25,330
we were interviewing so I don't I don't

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01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:28,240
recall Jim himself being on that trip

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but I remember telling him about this

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amazing trip with Lear and being able to

1344
01:08:39,630 --> 01:08:36,359
meet Ernie Edwards and go talk with

1345
01:08:42,539 --> 01:08:39,640
Clifford stone and meeting some other

1346
01:08:46,140 --> 01:08:42,549
people along the way and going to the

1347
01:08:50,539 --> 01:08:46,150
location where Paul bennewitz had been

1348
01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:50,549
with his cameras and recording equipment

1349
01:08:57,090 --> 01:08:54,310
apparently he stumbled into some kind of

1350
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:57,100
UFO interaction with Kirtland Air Force

1351
01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:00,400
Base out west of where I live in

1352
01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:05,049
Albuquerque and that Paul bennewitz was

1353
01:09:12,260 --> 01:09:09,190
the sort of like the trigger point for a

1354
01:09:14,940 --> 01:09:12,270
somebody in the civilian world to get

1355
01:09:17,690 --> 01:09:14,950
involved with Kirtland Air Force Base

1356
01:09:20,519 --> 01:09:17,700
thinking that he was doing a good deed

1357
01:09:23,370 --> 01:09:20,529
going to Kirtland Air Force Base and

1358
01:09:26,210 --> 01:09:23,380
saying their UFOs and this is what I'm

1359
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:26,220
monitoring and the terrible history is

1360
01:09:33,210 --> 01:09:30,970
that he was hurt apparently with

1361
01:09:36,990 --> 01:09:33,220
microwaves I remember talking with J

1362
01:09:40,140 --> 01:09:37,000
Allen Hynek about this Hynek went to see

1363
01:09:43,950 --> 01:09:40,150
bennewitz and I had been there and had

1364
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:43,960
seen red straight marks on Paul

1365
01:09:49,710 --> 01:09:47,170
bennewitz his hands arms on his wife and

1366
01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:49,720
he was explaining that he was convinced

1367
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:51,310
that the government was focusing

1368
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:54,640
microwaves on his laboratory and where

1369
01:10:00,150 --> 01:09:57,370
he lived trying to hurt him and his wife

1370
01:10:03,420 --> 01:10:00,160
and people who were there and that was

1371
01:10:05,010 --> 01:10:03,430
the moment where part of the world

1372
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:05,020
branched off and said well Paul

1373
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:08,410
bennewitz is has gone insane and that's

1374
01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:10,000
what the government wanted that's

1375
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:11,710
exactly what they wanted but the truth

1376
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:14,770
was they were very sane and they were

1377
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:18,370
being targeted and when Hynek went to

1378
01:10:23,180 --> 01:10:21,730
see Paul bennewitz Paul had been

1379
01:10:26,090 --> 01:10:23,190
hospitalized

1380
01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:26,100
and Hynek came up to Denver to see me

1381
01:10:30,620 --> 01:10:27,510
with a good friend of his Richard

1382
01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:30,630
Sigismund and we went to dinner and I

1383
01:10:37,220 --> 01:10:33,420
remember it was the first weekend in

1384
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:37,230
August of 1985 because the next day I

1385
01:10:43,729 --> 01:10:41,130
was leaving for Addis Ababa Ethiopia to

1386
01:10:46,340 --> 01:10:43,739
produce a documentary for UNICEF on

1387
01:10:50,450 --> 01:10:46,350
child survival there and that that night

1388
01:10:53,450 --> 01:10:50,460
is a demarcation that Hynek in August

1389
01:10:58,729 --> 01:10:53,460
that first week in August 1985 did not

1390
01:11:01,930 --> 01:10:58,739
know that he would be dead by April none

1391
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:01,940
of us did and it was the he had had

1392
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:04,770
prostate cancer and apparently something

1393
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:06,110
had spread to his brain

1394
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:10,320
but what makes this whole story this

1395
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:12,690
much more melancholy is that his friend

1396
01:11:17,630 --> 01:11:15,120
Richard Sigismund and I and Alan did not

1397
01:11:20,959 --> 01:11:17,640
know what his fate was a few months

1398
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:20,969
later but in that discussion in August

1399
01:11:27,260 --> 01:11:24,090
of 1985 he was talking about what he had

1400
01:11:29,780 --> 01:11:27,270
seen with bennewitz and his wife and he

1401
01:11:32,150 --> 01:11:29,790
was convinced that they had suffered

1402
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,160
physical harassment by some kind of

1403
01:11:37,670 --> 01:11:35,040
microwave energy and he talked about

1404
01:11:41,300 --> 01:11:37,680
that he knew for a fact that there had

1405
01:11:43,790 --> 01:11:41,310
been discs and bodies retrieved and that

1406
01:11:45,770 --> 01:11:43,800
they had been held underground in Norton

1407
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:45,780
Air Force Base in California and he was

1408
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:48,930
talking to us about that as if these

1409
01:11:56,689 --> 01:11:52,770
were facts that he knew and we got to

1410
01:11:59,450 --> 01:11:56,699
talking about why the suppression and he

1411
01:12:03,160 --> 01:11:59,460
said I feel embarrassed in my life that

1412
01:12:06,979 --> 01:12:03,170
as a astronomer that I was roped into

1413
01:12:09,970 --> 01:12:06,989
being used by the Air Force to come out

1414
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:09,980
and say in Michigan it was swamp gas or

1415
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:13,530
some other term that he really didn't

1416
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:16,290
believe and that now at that point in

1417
01:12:20,450 --> 01:12:18,480
his life he really wanted the truth and

1418
01:12:22,729 --> 01:12:20,460
he really wanted to see the craft he

1419
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:22,739
wanted to see the bodies and this Jimmy

1420
01:12:30,110 --> 01:12:28,050
was the exact tone of J Allen Hynek who

1421
01:12:33,890 --> 01:12:30,120
had been an astronomer at Ohio State in

1422
01:12:37,100 --> 01:12:33,900
Northwestern and worked on with the Air

1423
01:12:39,979 --> 01:12:37,110
Force on me what we all know now

1424
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:39,989
was a phony project Bluebook to get the

1425
01:12:45,290 --> 01:12:42,449
public in the media off the air forces

1426
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:45,300
back while the government was always and

1427
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:49,280
never stopped investigating the real UFO

1428
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,210
et site of things and so it is amazing

1429
01:12:59,300 --> 01:12:56,400
to me when you bring up Jim and that

1430
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:59,310
whole period of time when some of us

1431
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:01,679
were paralleling in our investigations

1432
01:13:09,820 --> 01:13:04,290
and that that discussion with jail and

1433
01:13:12,530 --> 01:13:09,830
Hynek that night it was even more

1434
01:13:18,740 --> 01:13:12,540
profound in some ways because at one

1435
01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:18,750
point he put his left hand on my right

1436
01:13:24,740 --> 01:13:21,510
wrist where the three of us were sitting

1437
01:13:26,660 --> 01:13:24,750
at a kind of a small dinner table and he

1438
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:26,670
looked at me and he said Linda do you

1439
01:13:32,649 --> 01:13:28,920
think I will be vindicated in my

1440
01:13:37,490 --> 01:13:32,659
lifetime and he had tears in his eyes

1441
01:13:43,370 --> 01:13:37,500
and I still remember that moment that

1442
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:43,380
this man who really did want to know the

1443
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:47,130
truth and I think had a lot of data and

1444
01:13:53,629 --> 01:13:50,610
he certainly talked about bodies and

1445
01:13:59,450 --> 01:13:53,639
craft at Norton Air Force Base with the

1446
01:14:02,540 --> 01:13:59,460
solidity of of knowledge but he said

1447
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,550
that he was denied seeing them that

1448
01:14:07,810 --> 01:14:04,560
after all of the work that he had done

1449
01:14:10,609 --> 01:14:07,820
with the Air Force and and how he had

1450
01:14:13,629 --> 01:14:10,619
sort of taken a ninety degree path away

1451
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:13,639
from being a first-class astronomer and

1452
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:17,760
had become somebody who did the bidding

1453
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:20,130
of the Air Force and then eventually had

1454
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:22,650
founded the Center for UFO studies right

1455
01:14:32,450 --> 01:14:28,290
that he had sacrificed one profession in

1456
01:14:35,419 --> 01:14:32,460
an effort to get to the truth in this

1457
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:35,429
complex multi multi faceted

1458
01:14:40,510 --> 01:14:36,770
multi-layered

1459
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:40,520
phenomena and that that night at dinner

1460
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:44,400
when he grasped my wrist it was almost

1461
01:14:50,700 --> 01:14:48,080
like we didn't know what was coming and

1462
01:14:54,900 --> 01:14:50,710
yet I think of that moment

1463
01:14:57,870 --> 01:14:54,910
he would be dead by April that's crazy

1464
01:15:00,600 --> 01:14:57,880
did you haven't really happen yeah and

1465
01:15:02,729 --> 01:15:00,610
you and I have talked about it so many

1466
01:15:05,700 --> 01:15:02,739
different aspects of this time period

1467
01:15:08,450 --> 01:15:05,710
and what was going on in your life and

1468
01:15:11,070 --> 01:15:08,460
you know bennewitz and and and Dodie and

1469
01:15:15,450 --> 01:15:11,080
Washington DC and of course the networks

1470
01:15:20,490 --> 01:15:15,460
and HBO and this whole period was a

1471
01:15:22,140 --> 01:15:20,500
pivotal time I want to ask you a couple

1472
01:15:26,300 --> 01:15:22,150
of questions about this

1473
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:26,310
did did bennewitz to you did Paul seem

1474
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:31,530
ungrounded to you no no the opposite a

1475
01:15:41,670 --> 01:15:38,290
man with a sharp mind who let's put this

1476
01:15:44,850 --> 01:15:41,680
put it this way those of us who want to

1477
01:15:47,670 --> 01:15:44,860
get the truth once we are exposed to

1478
01:15:51,090 --> 01:15:47,680
some of the facets of the UFO phenomena

1479
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:51,100
it is like walking through Alice in

1480
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:54,610
Wonderland's mirror right because one

1481
01:16:01,940 --> 01:15:58,239
day and one hour you are living a life

1482
01:16:06,990 --> 01:16:01,950
that had no UFOs or e cheese in it and

1483
01:16:11,010 --> 01:16:07,000
then you something happens and you

1484
01:16:15,209 --> 01:16:11,020
become aware you become conscious and in

1485
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:15,219
that moment you want to know the truth

1486
01:16:21,570 --> 01:16:18,610
you want to see the craft you want it to

1487
01:16:24,570 --> 01:16:21,580
meet the ETS you want to know about them

1488
01:16:27,690 --> 01:16:24,580
you want to know I wanted to know why

1489
01:16:30,750 --> 01:16:27,700
animal mutilations why human abductions

1490
01:16:34,140 --> 01:16:30,760
why so many different types described by

1491
01:16:37,290 --> 01:16:34,150
so many people what would be the alien

1492
01:16:39,780 --> 01:16:37,300
presence goal and agenda on this planet

1493
01:16:42,660 --> 01:16:39,790
in which the surface life anyway was

1494
01:16:45,570 --> 01:16:42,670
dominated by homo sapien sapien my

1495
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:45,580
exposure to the those words in that

1496
01:16:49,380 --> 01:16:47,770
briefing paper shown to me at Kirtland

1497
01:16:52,670 --> 01:16:49,390
Air Force Base when I was working on the

1498
01:16:55,620 --> 01:16:52,680
HBO project extraterrestrial biological

1499
01:16:59,610 --> 01:16:55,630
entities manipulated DNA and already

1500
01:17:03,520 --> 01:16:59,620
evolving primates to create homo sapien

1501
01:17:08,979 --> 01:17:03,530
those were words on that page how

1502
01:17:11,109 --> 01:17:08,989
can you how can anybody be exposed to

1503
01:17:12,910 --> 01:17:11,119
what I was being exposed to from the

1504
01:17:15,220 --> 01:17:12,920
animal mutilations to the human

1505
01:17:19,180 --> 01:17:15,230
abductions to a briefing paper like that

1506
01:17:21,700 --> 01:17:19,190
and more and not want to keep going to

1507
01:17:23,979 --> 01:17:21,710
the bottom of the well to know the

1508
01:17:28,299 --> 01:17:23,989
answers to all of these questions of who

1509
01:17:31,299 --> 01:17:28,309
what why where and from so that's where

1510
01:17:34,990 --> 01:17:31,309
the Alice in Wonderland Mirror comes in

1511
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:35,000
because one day I'm director of special

1512
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:37,489
projects at the CBS station in Denver

1513
01:17:43,779 --> 01:17:41,210
and I am doing environment and medicine

1514
01:17:46,930 --> 01:17:43,789
in science and training of astronauts

1515
01:17:49,689 --> 01:17:46,940
and those kinds of subjects and then

1516
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:49,699
animal mutilations are in front of me

1517
01:17:57,490 --> 01:17:54,320
and I go into nine months 18 hours a day

1518
01:18:01,089 --> 01:17:57,500
literally without break and produced the

1519
01:18:04,750 --> 01:18:01,099
90-minute special estranged harvest once

1520
01:18:08,890 --> 01:18:04,760
that aired enough I didn't know it at

1521
01:18:11,890 --> 01:18:08,900
the time but there really was no turning

1522
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:11,900
back from the other side of the Alice in

1523
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:15,170
Wonderland mirror for me because I was

1524
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:18,170
being exposed to too many mysteries

1525
01:18:25,149 --> 01:18:22,010
profound and the whole other bigger box

1526
01:18:26,979 --> 01:18:25,159
question if there are mutilations and

1527
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:26,989
human abductions and ancient

1528
01:18:34,810 --> 01:18:29,440
civilizations were carved out by other

1529
01:18:38,020 --> 01:18:34,820
intelligences and the whole gamut how do

1530
01:18:41,709 --> 01:18:38,030
you how would you ever with a curious

1531
01:18:43,330 --> 01:18:41,719
mind how would you ever walk away from

1532
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:43,340
those questions without getting the

1533
01:18:49,779 --> 01:18:46,960
answers and as you and I and Jim and

1534
01:18:51,819 --> 01:18:49,789
everybody that we know who is seriously

1535
01:18:57,549 --> 01:18:51,829
trying to get to the bottom of all of

1536
01:19:01,240 --> 01:18:57,559
this the questions that lead to some

1537
01:19:04,660 --> 01:19:01,250
answers keep going to more profound

1538
01:19:07,569 --> 01:19:04,670
questions and instead of narrowing down

1539
01:19:09,580 --> 01:19:07,579
to fundamental answers when you get into

1540
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:09,590
this phenomena when you cross through

1541
01:19:15,580 --> 01:19:12,170
that Alice in Wonderland mirror you

1542
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:15,590
suddenly find yourself in a bigger box

1543
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:17,360
and a bigger box and

1544
01:19:23,710 --> 01:19:20,570
bigger box and that has become a kind of

1545
01:19:28,420 --> 01:19:23,720
excitement for me is that I am now

1546
01:19:30,130 --> 01:19:28,430
trying to seriously talk with physicists

1547
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:30,140
about could we be in a

1548
01:19:35,010 --> 01:19:31,370
computer-simulated

1549
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:35,020
universe are the fast radio bursts as

1550
01:19:41,730 --> 01:19:38,210
avi Loeb at Harvard University wrote in

1551
01:19:44,350 --> 01:19:41,740
a papers earlier this spring the

1552
01:19:47,380 --> 01:19:44,360
hypothesis is that the fast radio bursts

1553
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:47,390
of which we've recorded its 27 or 28 now

1554
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:50,480
that they could be the signature of

1555
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:54,890
light travel transportation processes

1556
01:20:01,390 --> 01:19:58,880
and he uses those terms in his paper and

1557
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:01,400
he's chairman of the astronomy

1558
01:20:08,260 --> 01:20:04,490
department at Harvard University and he

1559
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:08,270
is on the board of directors for star

1560
01:20:14,860 --> 01:20:12,290
shot and star shot is the growing

1561
01:20:18,700 --> 01:20:14,870
program in which we are going to try to

1562
01:20:21,730 --> 01:20:18,710
launch small lightweight but extremely

1563
01:20:23,410 --> 01:20:21,740
intelligent these this would be a space

1564
01:20:27,700 --> 01:20:23,420
application of artificial intelligence

1565
01:20:30,460 --> 01:20:27,710
like taking an iPhone and maybe putting

1566
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:30,470
it on steroids but it will still stay

1567
01:20:36,370 --> 01:20:33,890
small and it will be launched maybe from

1568
01:20:38,890 --> 01:20:36,380
the moon because then there would be

1569
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:38,900
less atmosphere and they're going to try

1570
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:41,690
to get star shot in these first launches

1571
01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:44,090
headed toward Alpha Centauri four

1572
01:20:47,740 --> 01:20:44,840
light-years

1573
01:20:51,730 --> 01:20:47,750
the closest star and planet system and

1574
01:20:53,260 --> 01:20:51,740
if they can launch the first launch and

1575
01:20:57,670 --> 01:20:53,270
get one of these

1576
01:21:02,020 --> 01:20:57,680
smart smart AI space traveling machines

1577
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:02,030
going at 30% the speed of light they

1578
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:04,880
could get it to Alpha Centauri to do

1579
01:21:11,620 --> 01:21:07,370
measurements and photograph and all of

1580
01:21:14,820 --> 01:21:11,630
that maybe in 15 16 years and while

1581
01:21:17,710 --> 01:21:14,830
that's happening the idea is each year

1582
01:21:22,930 --> 01:21:17,720
we would keep progressing and our

1583
01:21:26,350 --> 01:21:22,940
ability to launch the AI to let's say

1584
01:21:28,930 --> 01:21:26,360
50% the speed of light then 70% the

1585
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:28,940
speed of light then 80% the speed of

1586
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:30,770
light and if we

1587
01:21:34,690 --> 01:21:32,480
up to a hundred percent the speed of

1588
01:21:37,630 --> 01:21:34,700
light which is the hypothesis about what

1589
01:21:40,620 --> 01:21:37,640
fast radio bursts might be a hundred

1590
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:40,630
percent the speed of light or near that

1591
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:43,010
Alpha Centauri is four light years away

1592
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:47,600
we get there in four years now the issue

1593
01:21:52,420 --> 01:21:49,130
that I don't know what they're going to

1594
01:21:54,910 --> 01:21:52,430
do about this is okay you get there and

1595
01:21:56,590 --> 01:21:54,920
you have your recording and you're

1596
01:21:59,440 --> 01:21:56,600
photographing like we've done on Mars

1597
01:22:04,270 --> 01:21:59,450
it'll take four years somehow to

1598
01:22:06,910 --> 01:22:04,280
transmit back to earth meanwhile we

1599
01:22:08,940 --> 01:22:06,920
don't have a tennis match we don't have

1600
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:08,950
somebody out there that will bat it back

1601
01:22:14,140 --> 01:22:11,510
at the speed of light or near the speed

1602
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:14,150
of light to the earth we'd have to get

1603
01:22:20,770 --> 01:22:18,110
there and we'd have to send some I guess

1604
01:22:24,010 --> 01:22:20,780
like human base crew after the AI has

1605
01:22:26,140 --> 01:22:24,020
gone and decided we decide whether or

1606
01:22:29,820 --> 01:22:26,150
not it was something that was habitable

1607
01:22:35,220 --> 01:22:29,830
but Jimmy all of this is happening now

1608
01:22:40,900 --> 01:22:35,230
Elon Musk he wants to launch to Mars in

1609
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:40,910
2026 maybe earlier they star shot they

1610
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:45,650
want to get these as smart a is launched

1611
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:47,810
at some percentage of the speed of light

1612
01:22:55,210 --> 01:22:51,890
toward Alpha Centauri by 20 time frame

1613
01:22:58,750 --> 01:22:55,220
somewhere around 2026 and it's like in

1614
01:23:01,180 --> 01:22:58,760
spite of ourselves in spite of all of

1615
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:01,190
the geopolitical problems environmental

1616
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:06,080
issues Homo Sapien humanity seems

1617
01:23:12,370 --> 01:23:09,410
determined may be destined we're all

1618
01:23:15,580 --> 01:23:12,380
ready we're going out into our solar

1619
01:23:19,180 --> 01:23:15,590
system we're going to head out toward

1620
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:19,190
Alpha Centauri the Space Age is upon us

1621
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:22,400
why we are trying as the surface

1622
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:26,080
creatures on earth just to survive

1623
01:23:35,140 --> 01:23:30,610
ourselves what a kids of phrenic

1624
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:35,150
civilization we are would you Linda be

1625
01:23:42,970 --> 01:23:39,890
straight with me it's the end of your

1626
01:23:44,440 --> 01:23:42,980
there Alan INEC it's the end of Close

1627
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:44,450
Encounters right

1628
01:23:50,230 --> 01:23:46,610
at the top of Devil's Tower do you get

1629
01:23:52,750 --> 01:23:50,240
on that spaceship do you do you go and

1630
01:23:54,460 --> 01:23:52,760
hang out do you leave Earth if you had

1631
01:23:58,780 --> 01:23:54,470
the opportunity would you would you go

1632
01:24:00,850 --> 01:23:58,790
god I remember exactly in 19 it was 78 I

1633
01:24:03,850 --> 01:24:00,860
think when encounters came out the

1634
01:24:08,290 --> 01:24:03,860
Spielberg film right and I remember this

1635
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:08,300
was before 79 this is before any this is

1636
01:24:13,090 --> 01:24:10,250
before I go through the Alice in

1637
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:13,100
Wonderland mirror into trying to

1638
01:24:17,470 --> 01:24:15,050
understand UFOs and ETS and animal

1639
01:24:21,250 --> 01:24:17,480
mutilations that didn't come until I

1640
01:24:22,510 --> 01:24:21,260
start doing the film a strange harvest

1641
01:24:25,870 --> 01:24:22,520
in September of 79

1642
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:25,880
so I remember distinctly being in a

1643
01:24:31,780 --> 01:24:29,450
movie theater watching encounters and at

1644
01:24:34,630 --> 01:24:31,790
the end with all those orange suited

1645
01:24:40,150 --> 01:24:34,640
astronauts going into that big huge UFO

1646
01:24:44,290 --> 01:24:40,160
oh my god yes I wanted to go and see the

1647
01:24:47,770 --> 01:24:44,300
universe I was so jealous of Richard

1648
01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:47,780
Dreyfuss I wanted to be I would do it

1649
01:24:52,510 --> 01:24:50,480
now this is what I said though I said

1650
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:52,520
this last month we were talking about it

1651
01:24:57,070 --> 01:24:54,170
here on the show this is what you know

1652
01:24:59,950 --> 01:24:57,080
what would really determine if I got on

1653
01:25:07,450 --> 01:24:59,960
the ship or not don't laugh no you can

1654
01:25:09,610 --> 01:25:07,460
laugh food I want to make sure yeah

1655
01:25:09,940 --> 01:25:09,620
right because you know you get on the

1656
01:25:11,710 --> 01:25:09,950
ship

1657
01:25:14,290 --> 01:25:11,720
right and and you're going you're all

1658
01:25:19,810 --> 01:25:14,300
excited and you sit down for your first

1659
01:25:22,810 --> 01:25:19,820
meal and it's some crazy thing okay okay

1660
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:22,820
reality check what are we doing with

1661
01:25:30,130 --> 01:25:25,600
Xerox printers today I know we're making

1662
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:30,140
organs we're making jewelry we're making

1663
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:32,210
fine precision tools

1664
01:25:37,420 --> 01:25:35,600
I swear Jimmy somewhere in that kind of

1665
01:25:39,220 --> 01:25:37,430
process we're going to end up with

1666
01:25:41,290 --> 01:25:39,230
exactly what they showed on Star Trek

1667
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:41,300
where they would go up to that machine

1668
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:45,170
and they would get any anything they

1669
01:25:51,190 --> 01:25:47,810
could manifest because somehow if you

1670
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:51,200
have all the elements and you somehow

1671
01:25:56,020 --> 01:25:54,080
have something that can take the atomic

1672
01:25:57,970 --> 01:25:56,030
structure of whatever elements go into

1673
01:26:00,280 --> 01:25:57,980
making the Coke or amber

1674
01:26:02,350 --> 01:26:00,290
or whatever is right and that you have

1675
01:26:05,410 --> 01:26:02,360
something like these Eric's printers

1676
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:05,420
then the idea that you could have filet

1677
01:26:11,380 --> 01:26:08,210
mignon with a Cabernet Sauvignon and

1678
01:26:15,850 --> 01:26:11,390
some kind of a ship going to Mars I

1679
01:26:18,340 --> 01:26:15,860
think it's doable just in terms of

1680
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:18,350
concept and that's why I left because I

1681
01:26:22,210 --> 01:26:20,090
think we are at that point if we are

1682
01:26:25,090 --> 01:26:22,220
making organs that are going to go

1683
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:25,100
surgically into bodies from the Xerox

1684
01:26:32,110 --> 01:26:28,610
printers we would be able to do food I

1685
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:32,120
think and all of this comes to this

1686
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:33,890
other big mystery that I have been

1687
01:26:40,330 --> 01:26:36,970
trying to solve for the since 2011 and

1688
01:26:43,540 --> 01:26:40,340
this our this is all of these booms

1689
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:43,550
around the planet and why jump there as

1690
01:26:50,140 --> 01:26:47,210
we are at this stage some kind of

1691
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:50,150
revolutionary transition and I hope next

1692
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:51,920
year we're going to have the headlines

1693
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:54,410
around the world we're not alone in this

1694
01:27:00,400 --> 01:26:57,530
universe and that once that happens

1695
01:27:01,990 --> 01:27:00,410
that's kind of a 90-degree turn about

1696
01:27:04,540 --> 01:27:02,000
going through the Alice in Wonderland

1697
01:27:07,630 --> 01:27:04,550
mirror for the whole planet in a strange

1698
01:27:10,420 --> 01:27:07,640
way and nothing will be quite the same

1699
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:10,430
again but I hope it is more exciting and

1700
01:27:18,250 --> 01:27:13,810
positive and some people think well

1701
01:27:20,350 --> 01:27:18,260
we're in a period of time where the

1702
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:20,360
numbers of mysteries that are being

1703
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:22,370
reported now on a weekly and monthly

1704
01:27:29,170 --> 01:27:26,210
basis in all of the media that you and I

1705
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:29,180
and others track it seems exponentially

1706
01:27:34,270 --> 01:27:31,610
expanding and that one of those

1707
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:34,280
mysteries that has not gone away

1708
01:27:40,740 --> 01:27:37,730
it has persisted constantly around the

1709
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:40,750
planet the whole world are the boons

1710
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:45,040
that can be associated with a bright

1711
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:50,239
blinding flash of light no and when this

1712
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:52,690
has occurred and I've done my own

1713
01:27:58,990 --> 01:27:55,370
follow-up follow-up with what was the

1714
01:28:01,960 --> 01:27:59,000
weather like clear skies no thunder no

1715
01:28:04,150 --> 01:28:01,970
lightning and yet these blinding flashes

1716
01:28:09,070 --> 01:28:04,160
one was even caught on a security camera

1717
01:28:11,860 --> 01:28:09,080
and they started in what I will call a

1718
01:28:13,660 --> 01:28:11,870
persistent pattern in 2011

1719
01:28:16,060 --> 01:28:13,670
people can talk about the Seneca guns

1720
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:16,070
and various parts of the planet that

1721
01:28:22,270 --> 01:28:18,170
over the centuries somebody would report

1722
01:28:24,130 --> 01:28:22,280
some loud sound I'm not I'm not saying

1723
01:28:27,670 --> 01:28:24,140
that didn't exist I'm saying something

1724
01:28:30,850 --> 01:28:27,680
else started happening in 2011 that had

1725
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:30,860
cycles to it there are places like

1726
01:28:40,270 --> 01:28:34,960
Kentucky Fort Knox where the booms come

1727
01:28:42,190 --> 01:28:40,280
each year since 2011 in July well let's

1728
01:28:46,810 --> 01:28:42,200
take let's take a break right here we

1729
01:28:49,690 --> 01:28:46,820
got to do it and this booms thing Linda

1730
01:28:52,180 --> 01:28:49,700
there is something going on I cannot

1731
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:52,190
wait this morning this morning I'm going

1732
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:54,290
to tell you about after the break we'll

1733
01:28:58,240 --> 01:28:56,690
be right back with Linda Moulton Howe

1734
01:29:04,390 --> 01:28:58,250
thus fade to black I'm your signature

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01:33:00,270 --> 01:32:58,680
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01:33:38,190 --> 01:33:34,570
Moulton Howe you know Linda we do this

1811
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:38,200
every year with you and it's an honor to

1812
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:39,730
have you on the program but you become

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such great friends you know with our

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outstanding program by the way I've

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01:34:01,560 --> 01:33:58,810
watched them all but and I just want to

1820
01:34:04,710 --> 01:34:01,570
thank you for that in advance and so

1821
01:34:07,950 --> 01:34:04,720
let's get Jimmy thank you for

1822
01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:07,960
interfacing with the world on so many

1823
01:34:15,210 --> 01:34:11,440
subjects that need to be out there well

1824
01:34:18,420 --> 01:34:15,220
and and this this boone's thing probably

1825
01:34:21,630 --> 01:34:18,430
I started getting email about it about

1826
01:34:23,460 --> 01:34:21,640
four years ago and I started to go off

1827
01:34:27,330 --> 01:34:23,470
and do research on it spoke to you about

1828
01:34:30,540 --> 01:34:27,340
it on under most occasions and this is

1829
01:34:35,010 --> 01:34:30,550
something that is real and it is what I

1830
01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:35,020
mean by real is it's being documented by

1831
01:34:38,910 --> 01:34:37,360
just average citizens all around the

1832
01:34:42,270 --> 01:34:38,920
world they're wondering what's going on

1833
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:42,280
and we just did this TV show with a

1834
01:34:47,250 --> 01:34:45,250
History Channel and we try to capture

1835
01:34:50,700 --> 01:34:47,260
some of these booms and you know the

1836
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:50,710
Taos hum amongst other things there is

1837
01:34:57,150 --> 01:34:53,530
something going on and you told me this

1838
01:34:59,490 --> 01:34:57,160
morning that something happened this

1839
01:35:03,620 --> 01:34:59,500
morning what that's right

1840
01:35:06,860 --> 01:35:03,630
I opened up my email and here was this

1841
01:35:09,209 --> 01:35:06,870
here I'm reading it hello my name is

1842
01:35:10,799 --> 01:35:09,219
Norberto Matta I

1843
01:35:12,959 --> 01:35:10,809
been following your investigative work

1844
01:35:15,209 --> 01:35:12,969
about the unknown booms around the world

1845
01:35:18,209 --> 01:35:15,219
and I had never heard those strange

1846
01:35:21,239 --> 01:35:18,219
sounds until just this past month and

1847
01:35:24,839 --> 01:35:21,249
then says the boom started here in the

1848
01:35:28,830 --> 01:35:24,849
city of Chihuahua Mexico in the past

1849
01:35:31,919 --> 01:35:28,840
month which is almost straight south

1850
01:35:34,919 --> 01:35:31,929
if people know las cruces in new mexico

1851
01:35:37,319 --> 01:35:34,929
if you go straight south from las cruces

1852
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:37,329
you will come to chihuahua and he said

1853
01:35:42,450 --> 01:35:40,090
also with some of the booms here there

1854
01:35:44,969 --> 01:35:42,460
have been sightings of weird bright

1855
01:35:51,299 --> 01:35:44,979
flashes of light but no clouds or rain

1856
01:35:53,359 --> 01:35:51,309
and he sent along a link and i went to

1857
01:35:56,009 --> 01:35:53,369
the link that was in spanish and

1858
01:35:58,379 --> 01:35:56,019
thankfully we have Google Translate that

1859
01:36:00,899 --> 01:35:58,389
works pretty well and I posted this

1860
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:00,909
morning at my earthfiles dot-com

1861
01:36:07,770 --> 01:36:04,210
headlines page that early this morning

1862
01:36:10,290 --> 01:36:07,780
of December 5th 2017 Chihuahua Mexico

1863
01:36:13,140 --> 01:36:10,300
police and firemen responded to

1864
01:36:16,169 --> 01:36:13,150
residents reporting loud explosive

1865
01:36:19,169 --> 01:36:16,179
booming noises on the north side of the

1866
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:19,179
city the investigators themselves heard

1867
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:22,090
explosion sounds and they went off in

1868
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:25,090
units to explore the plaza biota the

1869
01:36:30,419 --> 01:36:27,280
Zaragoza industries in the Chihuahua

1870
01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:30,429
cement plant but they could not find the

1871
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:34,239
source of any loud booms which is part

1872
01:36:42,060 --> 01:36:38,650
of this mystery is that various will say

1873
01:36:44,279 --> 01:36:42,070
its police and fire and mayors and city

1874
01:36:45,930 --> 01:36:44,289
council people will go out into the city

1875
01:36:47,399 --> 01:36:45,940
where people are reporting boom

1876
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:47,409
sometimes it's thousands of people

1877
01:36:55,469 --> 01:36:51,760
calling and nobody can find any evidence

1878
01:37:00,660 --> 01:36:55,479
of an explosion but here is the

1879
01:37:03,029 --> 01:37:00,670
interesting part from 2011 to 2017 this

1880
01:37:07,469 --> 01:37:03,039
has been six years of these reports and

1881
01:37:10,859 --> 01:37:07,479
I think I have about 400 reports at her

1882
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:10,869
files alone and in all of these

1883
01:37:15,779 --> 01:37:13,360
interviews sometimes with authorities

1884
01:37:18,419 --> 01:37:15,789
and lot with people who I call the ear

1885
01:37:22,379 --> 01:37:18,429
witnesses and sometimes eyewitnesses to

1886
01:37:23,250 --> 01:37:22,389
the flashes here Jimmy is part of why

1887
01:37:26,129 --> 01:37:23,260
this is such

1888
01:37:30,419 --> 01:37:26,139
a interesting mystery you will talk with

1889
01:37:34,109 --> 01:37:30,429
people who say I felt like a compression

1890
01:37:36,149 --> 01:37:34,119
wave coming and hitting me or hitting

1891
01:37:39,029 --> 01:37:36,159
the side of the house or they have a

1892
01:37:41,129 --> 01:37:39,039
very specific place one wall in the

1893
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:41,139
house shook and the rest of the house

1894
01:37:45,779 --> 01:37:43,090
did not they talked about it as a

1895
01:37:48,689 --> 01:37:45,789
compression wave coming from above and

1896
01:37:51,299 --> 01:37:48,699
being very focused other people like

1897
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:51,309
there was a mirror in Michigan she was

1898
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:54,880
out with her city engineers they had had

1899
01:37:59,609 --> 01:37:57,760
hundreds of calls from people who were

1900
01:38:00,479 --> 01:37:59,619
reporting that they were hearing these

1901
01:38:03,629 --> 01:38:00,489
loud booms

1902
01:38:06,209 --> 01:38:03,639
so she as mayor decided that she would

1903
01:38:08,759 --> 01:38:06,219
walk with her city engineers I staying

1904
01:38:12,149 --> 01:38:08,769
up all night and suddenly they all heard

1905
01:38:15,450 --> 01:38:12,159
one of these explosive booms and she was

1906
01:38:17,580 --> 01:38:15,460
on a sidewalk downtown and she felt

1907
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:17,590
these were this was her verb that she

1908
01:38:24,149 --> 01:38:21,250
used it felt like something slapped the

1909
01:38:27,779 --> 01:38:24,159
bottoms of my feet so now that's

1910
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:27,789
something coming from below what is the

1911
01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:31,090
source that manifests itself as

1912
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:34,510
atmospheric compression waves with a

1913
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:38,489
focus in some cases and in others is

1914
01:38:43,770 --> 01:38:40,800
cracking sidewalks

1915
01:38:47,250 --> 01:38:43,780
knocking garage doors out of their

1916
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:47,260
tracks slamming the bottoms of a mare

1917
01:38:54,839 --> 01:38:52,570
shoes from below that is - that to me is

1918
01:39:01,520 --> 01:38:54,849
goes to the heart of what are we dealing

1919
01:39:07,620 --> 01:39:04,950
computers that are trying to take a

1920
01:39:10,979 --> 01:39:07,630
whole bunch of data related to the

1921
01:39:13,649 --> 01:39:10,989
question could the magnetic poles of

1922
01:39:18,750 --> 01:39:13,659
Earth be getting ready to switch

1923
01:39:20,399 --> 01:39:18,760
positions this century right and in the

1924
01:39:22,799 --> 01:39:20,409
scientists that I've talked to about

1925
01:39:25,049 --> 01:39:22,809
this and I've got a I think half a dozen

1926
01:39:28,729 --> 01:39:25,059
reports that are files on that question

1927
01:39:32,910 --> 01:39:28,739
and with people who are studying it they

1928
01:39:36,029 --> 01:39:32,920
the best data that we have right now on

1929
01:39:36,930 --> 01:39:36,039
the earth for what happened back at the

1930
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:36,940
last time

1931
01:39:43,310 --> 01:39:40,210
there was a magnetic magnetic pole ship

1932
01:39:47,150 --> 01:39:43,320
which for listeners it is not the crust

1933
01:39:50,430 --> 01:39:47,160
changing is nothing geophysical e

1934
01:39:54,780 --> 01:39:50,440
switching around it is the magnetic

1935
01:39:58,320 --> 01:39:54,790
field positive and negative they change

1936
01:40:01,830 --> 01:39:58,330
positions so that the magnetic field

1937
01:40:05,459 --> 01:40:01,840
that's in the Antarctic now will be up

1938
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:05,469
somewhere in the Arctic area or Siberia

1939
01:40:11,490 --> 01:40:08,050
and the one that's been in the Arctic

1940
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:11,500
will be down in Antarctica that's what

1941
01:40:16,170 --> 01:40:13,449
we talked about and it could also be in

1942
01:40:19,620 --> 01:40:16,180
other parts of the planet but I'm trying

1943
01:40:23,250 --> 01:40:19,630
to have people be able to just grasp the

1944
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:23,260
basic concept that the magnetic the

1945
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:27,280
poles magnetic fields will change now

1946
01:40:33,810 --> 01:40:30,730
the last time that this occurred several

1947
01:40:38,490 --> 01:40:33,820
hundred thousand years ago there is a

1948
01:40:40,590 --> 01:40:38,500
lake in Italy that preserved for reasons

1949
01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:40,600
that are not clear but preserved very

1950
01:40:45,870 --> 01:40:43,360
perfectly going back through the last

1951
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:45,880
magnetic field change on the planet and

1952
01:40:51,930 --> 01:40:49,810
the clay was undisturbed and it was

1953
01:40:54,330 --> 01:40:51,940
perfect and there is a scientist that I

1954
01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:54,340
interviewed one of my earthfiles reports

1955
01:41:01,290 --> 01:40:57,610
who studied these clays and they had a

1956
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:01,300
paper that the revelation was that in

1957
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:04,930
the hundred years leading up to the last

1958
01:41:13,410 --> 01:41:07,690
magnetic field change in just one

1959
01:41:17,610 --> 01:41:13,420
hundred years the magnetic field of the

1960
01:41:20,580 --> 01:41:17,620
earth went down to zero or near zero

1961
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:20,590
a few times I think it was four or five

1962
01:41:26,939 --> 01:41:23,890
times during those hundred years now why

1963
01:41:29,850 --> 01:41:26,949
is this really significant because this

1964
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:29,860
is hard data and if you have the

1965
01:41:36,300 --> 01:41:32,080
magnetic fields of this planet go down

1966
01:41:39,689 --> 01:41:36,310
to zero then you could have a lot of

1967
01:41:42,150 --> 01:41:39,699
solar particles reaching the ground

1968
01:41:44,910 --> 01:41:42,160
which could cause an increase in skin

1969
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:44,920
cancers in humans and what would happen

1970
01:41:50,290 --> 01:41:48,250
to birds and marine animals that are

1971
01:41:51,490 --> 01:41:50,300
guided by magnetic fields that's a

1972
01:41:54,430 --> 01:41:51,500
big question mark and interestingly

1973
01:41:56,500 --> 01:41:54,440
enough they really are not simple

1974
01:41:59,320 --> 01:41:56,510
answers from any scientists about what

1975
01:42:02,590 --> 01:41:59,330
exactly what happened and for how long

1976
01:42:05,170 --> 01:42:02,600
so if it goes down and then comes back

1977
01:42:07,060 --> 01:42:05,180
up that goes down and comes back up and

1978
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:07,070
does this half a dozen times in a

1979
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:11,090
hundred years leading up we could be in

1980
01:42:19,420 --> 01:42:16,370
that period and since nobody knows what

1981
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:19,430
the physical manifestations were is it

1982
01:42:24,570 --> 01:42:22,010
possible that we're now going to be in a

1983
01:42:26,830 --> 01:42:24,580
century where there will be increasing

1984
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:26,840
aberrations with the magnetic field of

1985
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:29,330
this planet that it could literally go

1986
01:42:35,260 --> 01:42:32,000
down to zero or somewhere near zero and

1987
01:42:38,710 --> 01:42:35,270
then what would happen and in this

1988
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:38,720
entire process why did the magnetic

1989
01:42:43,780 --> 01:42:40,850
fields change it has to do with a

1990
01:42:46,110 --> 01:42:43,790
mystery at the core of this earth at the

1991
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:46,120
core of the earth there is an iron

1992
01:42:57,420 --> 01:42:52,010
crystal sphere and that iron crystal

1993
01:43:01,330 --> 01:42:57,430
sphere has iron atoms and molecules

1994
01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:01,340
under huge pressure and what the

1995
01:43:09,670 --> 01:43:05,690
computer and the investigations seem to

1996
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:09,680
say is that there will be a change in

1997
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:13,370
the negative and positive poles at the

1998
01:43:21,580 --> 01:43:18,370
molecular level before there is the big

1999
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:21,590
magnetic field change at the poles why

2000
01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:24,530
that occurs in the big iron crystal

2001
01:43:30,730 --> 01:43:27,110
sphere at the center of the earth is not

2002
01:43:34,690 --> 01:43:30,740
exactly clear but it means that there

2003
01:43:38,910 --> 01:43:34,700
could be changes then at the core that

2004
01:43:43,330 --> 01:43:38,920
could have infrasound that goes through

2005
01:43:47,260 --> 01:43:43,340
the mantle comes up out of the rind we

2006
01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:47,270
literally live on a rind it is only on

2007
01:43:55,500 --> 01:43:51,110
average about 15 to 25 miles of what we

2008
01:43:59,560 --> 01:43:55,510
call earth surface and when you go down

2009
01:44:03,610 --> 01:43:59,570
through the rind that we all live on you

2010
01:44:06,010 --> 01:44:03,620
get into the area where the mantle is

2011
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:06,020
and when you start getting into it it's

2012
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:08,570
like hot jello as you keep going down

2013
01:44:18,190 --> 01:44:14,570
and that if you have changes going on in

2014
01:44:21,630 --> 01:44:18,200
an iron crystal at the center of this

2015
01:44:24,970 --> 01:44:21,640
eight thousand mile diameter planet

2016
01:44:27,370 --> 01:44:24,980
could it make infrasound that would go

2017
01:44:30,780 --> 01:44:27,380
through that mantle come out through the

2018
01:44:35,260 --> 01:44:30,790
surface ring go up into the atmosphere

2019
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:35,270
slam into the ionosphere and come back

2020
01:44:41,590 --> 01:44:39,410
bounce back to the earth and change from

2021
01:44:47,830 --> 01:44:41,600
infrasound that human ears could not

2022
01:44:51,460 --> 01:44:47,840
hear to a bone or metallic sounds or

2023
01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:51,470
even the strange strange trumpet like

2024
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:53,840
sounds that have had many variations

2025
01:44:58,990 --> 01:44:56,690
that have been recorded on many various

2026
01:45:02,800 --> 01:44:59,000
audio cassettes around the world right

2027
01:45:05,050 --> 01:45:02,810
well wouldn't it be something if what

2028
01:45:08,140 --> 01:45:05,060
we're experiencing and all of us around

2029
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:08,150
the world was the prelude to the

2030
01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:10,370
magnetic fields changing it's

2031
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:14,210
speculation but this to me is part of

2032
01:45:19,390 --> 01:45:16,400
the excitement of investigating

2033
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:19,400
scientific mysteries separate from UFOs

2034
01:45:26,350 --> 01:45:23,170
and ETS because I think that this is

2035
01:45:28,810 --> 01:45:26,360
incredible that we could be in the

2036
01:45:32,470 --> 01:45:28,820
century before the magnetic fields of

2037
01:45:35,710 --> 01:45:32,480
the earth change wait that would explain

2038
01:45:38,650 --> 01:45:35,720
why we can't find the physical evidence

2039
01:45:41,980 --> 01:45:38,660
you know dynamite atomic nuclear testing

2040
01:45:46,180 --> 01:45:41,990
whatever it to Prasanna planes being

2041
01:45:48,490 --> 01:45:46,190
tested a new sr-71 what have you

2042
01:45:51,820 --> 01:45:48,500
we take the human element out of it

2043
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:51,830
because we can't find that evidence and

2044
01:45:58,210 --> 01:45:54,650
it just may be mother nature and mother

2045
01:46:02,890 --> 01:45:58,220
nature giving us a warning and that to

2046
01:46:06,610 --> 01:46:02,900
me is that that excites me to encounter

2047
01:46:11,890 --> 01:46:06,620
unknowns and then try to keep going

2048
01:46:13,780 --> 01:46:11,900
forward to find answers and what you and

2049
01:46:16,180 --> 01:46:13,790
I and Jim Marrs and a whole bunch of

2050
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:16,190
people understand now is that when it

2051
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:16,850
comes

2052
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:20,330
to the alien presence as he Howard hunt

2053
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:23,210
told the attorney Douglas caddy before

2054
01:46:28,030 --> 01:46:25,130
he was going to prison that the reason

2055
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:28,040
that the CIA killed John F Kennedy was

2056
01:46:32,740 --> 01:46:30,650
because he wanted to open up the alien

2057
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:32,750
presence to the Soviet Union and they

2058
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:35,600
couldn't allow it and you have something

2059
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:39,050
that provocative and that big and you

2060
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:44,800
think this is this is a doorway into

2061
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:47,810
understanding what's the truth about an

2062
01:46:52,750 --> 01:46:50,170
alien presence but then what you find is

2063
01:46:54,100 --> 01:46:52,760
that as soon as you have people inside

2064
01:46:57,160 --> 01:46:54,110
the government who are actual

2065
01:47:00,850 --> 01:46:57,170
whistleblowers that they've been exposed

2066
01:47:05,740 --> 01:47:00,860
to only a small piece of something so

2067
01:47:09,220 --> 01:47:05,750
complex and so vast and so big as other

2068
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:09,230
life in this universe that can send it

2069
01:47:16,270 --> 01:47:12,800
of let's say Androids here or hybrids

2070
01:47:17,950 --> 01:47:16,280
here and self-activating spacecraft that

2071
01:47:19,180 --> 01:47:17,960
don't even need to have the prime

2072
01:47:21,610 --> 01:47:19,190
intelligence because they are

2073
01:47:24,190 --> 01:47:21,620
essentially operating like a life form

2074
01:47:27,670 --> 01:47:24,200
with its own intelligence and the more

2075
01:47:30,540 --> 01:47:27,680
you go the more incredible it becomes

2076
01:47:34,090 --> 01:47:30,550
and the more I would like to know and

2077
01:47:36,580 --> 01:47:34,100
that Lynne Buchanan set a tone for me

2078
01:47:39,310 --> 01:47:36,590
when we did an interview on phenomena

2079
01:47:42,010 --> 01:47:39,320
radio a couple years ago and Lynne

2080
01:47:46,540 --> 01:47:42,020
Buchanan had been part of the project

2081
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:46,550
Stargate that was office at Fort Meade

2082
01:47:52,090 --> 01:47:49,520
and it was in the old World War two

2083
01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:52,100
barracks next to the big shiny beautiful

2084
01:47:57,700 --> 01:47:55,280
National Security Agency building but

2085
01:48:00,520 --> 01:47:57,710
the CIA and the Defense Intelligence

2086
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:00,530
Agency said that they didn't want

2087
01:48:06,100 --> 01:48:03,410
Congress to ever think that they were

2088
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:06,110
spending too much money on remote

2089
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:08,170
viewing so they kept them in these old

2090
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:13,130
crumbly barracks but Lynne Buchanan was

2091
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:15,770
one of the men in that group and for

2092
01:48:23,590 --> 01:48:19,610
reasons that are not clear in 2015 John

2093
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:23,600
burrows got a notice that on the Central

2094
01:48:29,260 --> 01:48:26,330
Intelligence Agency real website that

2095
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:29,270
you can go to on the web that if

2096
01:48:34,409 --> 01:48:30,489
somebody say

2097
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:34,419
a URL from the CIA website to John

2098
01:48:42,089 --> 01:48:38,320
saying look at this and it was a remote

2099
01:48:47,009 --> 01:48:42,099
view of Rendlesham forest at the

2100
01:48:50,489 --> 01:48:47,019
December 26 to 28 1980 time period and I

2101
01:48:52,379 --> 01:48:50,499
knew when Buchanan from a conference it

2102
01:48:54,209 --> 01:48:52,389
had talked and seen him actually

2103
01:48:57,259 --> 01:48:54,219
demonstrate and teach a little bit about

2104
01:48:59,699 --> 01:48:57,269
remote viewing so he lives down in

2105
01:49:02,399 --> 01:48:59,709
southern New Mexico and I called him up

2106
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:02,409
and I said Lynn let me give you a URL

2107
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:05,530
and would you go and tell me if you

2108
01:49:12,419 --> 01:49:10,449
recognize this so I'm on the phone he is

2109
01:49:14,279 --> 01:49:12,429
going on his computer

2110
01:49:19,649 --> 01:49:14,289
I didn't front load I didn't tell him

2111
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:19,659
right when he saw that page or this

2112
01:49:27,390 --> 01:49:23,530
actually more than one he he used words

2113
01:49:29,909 --> 01:49:27,400
I can't use on the radio he was shocked

2114
01:49:31,589 --> 01:49:29,919
he was a study she said I thought none

2115
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:31,599
of our remote viewing work was ever

2116
01:49:36,239 --> 01:49:34,239
going to see the light of day and I said

2117
01:49:39,629 --> 01:49:36,249
well since it's there it's now

2118
01:49:42,149 --> 01:49:39,639
officially public would you do an

2119
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:42,159
interview both live and recording for

2120
01:49:47,879 --> 01:49:45,280
Earth files about everything let's walk

2121
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:47,889
through every word and every sentence of

2122
01:49:53,399 --> 01:49:50,800
this incredible remote viewing and here

2123
01:49:56,759 --> 01:49:53,409
is the bottom line of what made this

2124
01:49:59,850 --> 01:49:56,769
fascinating and opens this box of this

2125
01:50:03,569 --> 01:49:59,860
universe that were in even more he had

2126
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:03,579
in his remote viewing back in 1989 that

2127
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:06,610
would be nine years after the events in

2128
01:50:11,009 --> 01:50:09,280
Rendlesham forest in December 1980 but

2129
01:50:12,419 --> 01:50:11,019
you know the remote viewing guys they

2130
01:50:15,419 --> 01:50:12,429
don't know what their remote viewing

2131
01:50:17,219 --> 01:50:15,429
they are doing a target and they don't

2132
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:17,229
know what it is they can only learn

2133
01:50:22,469 --> 01:50:20,650
about it later and this was what was so

2134
01:50:26,399 --> 01:50:22,479
amazing to him that it was at the CIA

2135
01:50:29,790 --> 01:50:26,409
web site but he said that he remembered

2136
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:29,800
getting down into a propulsion system in

2137
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a black glossy some kind of triangular

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01:50:40,109 --> 01:50:37,570
craft and that there was a green yellow

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01:50:43,379 --> 01:50:40,119
light he knew that it was a self

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01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:43,389
activating craft there it did not have

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01:50:45,870 --> 01:50:43,840
pie

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01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:45,880
didn't have people who came with it it

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01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:48,000
would be like a very sophisticated

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01:50:53,010 --> 01:50:50,650
Android and there was his greenish

2145
01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:53,020
yellow light and in his remote viewing

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01:50:59,010 --> 01:50:54,960
he's going toward it and he says it

2147
01:51:02,399 --> 01:50:59,020
seems like there is an incubator in this

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01:51:06,450 --> 01:51:02,409
and I'm getting the impression that this

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01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:06,460
craft is here on this planet looking for

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01:51:13,500 --> 01:51:10,570
places to deposit something like DNA to

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01:51:18,300 --> 01:51:13,510
see if it will take hold and create life

2152
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:18,310
here yeah did he did he no I'm assuming

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01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:21,520
not but did he know about you know

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01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:25,360
Burroughs nothing no no this was back in

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01:51:29,790 --> 01:51:27,489
1989 and they knew nothing

2156
01:51:31,979 --> 01:51:29,800
they knew zero that's what made this so

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01:51:35,250 --> 01:51:31,989
astonishing and then because the next

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01:51:37,950 --> 01:51:35,260
step he said Linda all of us that were

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01:51:40,050 --> 01:51:37,960
in projects are gates we all ended up

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01:51:42,330 --> 01:51:40,060
with assignments targets and we realized

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01:51:46,169 --> 01:51:42,340
that we were going out into the universe

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01:51:48,629 --> 01:51:46,179
or to Mars or someplace and he said what

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01:51:53,609 --> 01:51:48,639
we all learned is the universe is

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01:51:56,609 --> 01:51:53,619
teeming with life and he said some are

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01:52:00,510 --> 01:51:56,619
our allies or we would never have

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01:52:03,450 --> 01:52:00,520
survived this long and some are enemies

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01:52:07,669 --> 01:52:03,460
and that means there can be potential

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01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:07,679
war I'm right there in that sentence it

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01:52:17,459 --> 01:52:13,449
kind of encapsulate the I'm going to say

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01:52:19,770 --> 01:52:17,469
a series of insights that various

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01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:19,780
whistleblower types have given me over

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01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:22,719
the last thirty years in which you talk

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01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:25,119
to one person and they have the

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01:52:29,729 --> 01:52:27,489
impression that we get help from a

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01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:29,739
particular type and that our

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01:52:36,629 --> 01:52:32,530
technological evolution has been spurred

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01:52:40,010 --> 01:52:36,639
on purpose because if humanity does not

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01:52:43,950 --> 01:52:40,020
advance more quickly we will not survive

2179
01:52:47,030 --> 01:52:43,960
then there comes another it says but we

2180
01:52:50,609 --> 01:52:47,040
are potentially in a dangerous situation

2181
01:52:54,270 --> 01:52:50,619
with intelligences they may want this

2182
01:52:56,850 --> 01:52:54,280
planet they may be in war with other

2183
01:52:58,530 --> 01:52:56,860
beings that are involved with earth

2184
01:53:02,520 --> 01:52:58,540
and it may not be personal to Homo

2185
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:02,530
Sapien but that there are Wars and that

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01:53:10,740 --> 01:53:07,690
the size of the scope of when you say

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01:53:13,100 --> 01:53:10,750
those words unidentified flying objects

2188
01:53:15,630 --> 01:53:13,110
or unidentified aerial phenomena or

2189
01:53:19,410 --> 01:53:15,640
extraterrestrial biological entities or

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01:53:22,950 --> 01:53:19,420
self activating software or androids

2191
01:53:25,980 --> 01:53:22,960
with intelligence we are right now

2192
01:53:30,150 --> 01:53:25,990
hearing all of the time so somebody like

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01:53:34,620 --> 01:53:30,160
Elon Musk who is determined he wants to

2194
01:53:38,220 --> 01:53:34,630
get to Mars he wants to use various

2195
01:53:41,850 --> 01:53:38,230
kinds of technology the idea that we

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01:53:44,430 --> 01:53:41,860
need to have a expansion from Earth a

2197
01:53:47,910 --> 01:53:44,440
base that would be in our solar system

2198
01:53:51,420 --> 01:53:47,920
is becoming paramount to the idea that

2199
01:53:54,420 --> 01:53:51,430
we could face an existential threat and

2200
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:54,430
if we faced an existential threat and

2201
01:53:59,460 --> 01:53:56,410
all of our eggs were in the one basket

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01:54:02,370 --> 01:53:59,470
of Earth that might in and of itself be

2203
01:54:04,410 --> 01:54:02,380
a problem and so suddenly when you're

2204
01:54:07,220 --> 01:54:04,420
trying to understand what the true

2205
01:54:09,570 --> 01:54:07,230
history of the earth is of other

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01:54:11,940 --> 01:54:09,580
intelligences being here based here

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01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:11,950
millions of years ago long before homo

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01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:14,560
erectus ever stood up if as I understand

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01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:17,520
it that the Anunnaki and the Greeks were

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01:54:24,810 --> 01:54:20,410
extraterrestrial with very advanced

2211
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:24,820
knowledge why should that be kept from

2212
01:54:31,500 --> 01:54:28,210
the 7.2 billion and exponentially

2213
01:54:33,990 --> 01:54:31,510
expanding human species on the earth now

2214
01:54:37,670 --> 01:54:34,000
Jimmy why should it be kept from us yeah

2215
01:54:41,130 --> 01:54:37,680
and this is the thing about that entire

2216
01:54:42,750 --> 01:54:41,140
that entire point is this and now we're

2217
01:54:44,460 --> 01:54:42,760
gonna head towards a break in three

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01:54:46,580 --> 01:54:44,470
minutes so I need your short answer and

2219
01:54:50,970 --> 01:54:46,590
then we'll pick it up on the back side

2220
01:54:55,110 --> 01:54:50,980
the ISS the the press release last week

2221
01:54:59,400 --> 01:54:55,120
about them finding bacteria growing on

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01:55:01,760 --> 01:54:59,410
the outside of the space station right

2223
01:55:04,740 --> 01:55:01,770
that that has accumulated you know

2224
01:55:07,470 --> 01:55:04,750
growing and apparently living in the

2225
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:07,480
vacuum of space it is apparently alien

2226
01:55:15,839 --> 01:55:08,050
number

2227
01:55:18,030 --> 01:55:15,849
earth to test now that verifies a whole

2228
01:55:22,169 --> 01:55:18,040
lot of different things if it turns out

2229
01:55:24,660 --> 01:55:22,179
to be obviously alien life what did you

2230
01:55:27,149 --> 01:55:24,670
think when you read those reports the

2231
01:55:31,709 --> 01:55:27,159
first thing that popped into my head is

2232
01:55:34,589 --> 01:55:31,719
my god it means that things that we put

2233
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:34,599
in the category of bacteria could

2234
01:55:42,479 --> 01:55:38,050
survive on the surface of a freezing

2235
01:55:45,569 --> 01:55:42,489
cold piece of technology that we put out

2236
01:55:48,689 --> 01:55:45,579
there that is orbiting our planet in

2237
01:55:52,770 --> 01:55:48,699
conditions that would kill us and there

2238
01:55:56,850 --> 01:55:52,780
are bacteria from whatever source that

2239
01:56:00,270 --> 01:55:56,860
can live on the surface getting solar

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01:56:03,810 --> 01:56:00,280
radiation in absolutely mind-blowing ly

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01:56:08,959 --> 01:56:03,820
cold temperatures to the human mind well

2242
01:56:11,850 --> 01:56:08,969
doesn't that say our definition of life

2243
01:56:15,390 --> 01:56:11,860
our definition of conditions where life

2244
01:56:17,879 --> 01:56:15,400
can be it's really through the lens of

2245
01:56:20,339 --> 01:56:17,889
what we know about Earth and that what

2246
01:56:23,850 --> 01:56:20,349
is actually in this thirteen point nine

2247
01:56:27,240 --> 01:56:23,860
billion light year universe right oh my

2248
01:56:30,030 --> 01:56:27,250
god to know everything that is in this

2249
01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:30,040
cosmos well that's what I would like to

2250
01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:33,280
understand would you have give me the

2251
01:56:37,709 --> 01:56:35,650
30-second answer would you have brought

2252
01:56:39,660 --> 01:56:37,719
that bacteria back to earth or would you

2253
01:56:42,839 --> 01:56:39,670
left it up there and tested it on the

2254
01:56:45,359 --> 01:56:42,849
ISS well depends on how they did it

2255
01:56:48,330 --> 01:56:45,369
because we have viruses and bacteria

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01:56:52,799 --> 01:56:48,340
that are extremely dangerous in very

2257
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:52,809
high secured areas to study so if it's

2258
01:56:57,689 --> 01:56:54,730
handled correctly I can't believe

2259
01:56:59,430 --> 01:56:57,699
scientists would do it sloppily then

2260
01:57:03,089 --> 01:56:59,440
it's going to be in a high-security

2261
01:57:05,850 --> 01:57:03,099
facility to study and we shouldn't worry

2262
01:57:09,180 --> 01:57:05,860
but I understand the question you're

2263
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:09,190
asking how dangerous could it be if

2264
01:57:13,350 --> 01:57:11,050
we've got something that can grow in the

2265
01:57:15,839 --> 01:57:13,360
ISS and we bring it to earth and we

2266
01:57:18,569 --> 01:57:15,849
didn't know how to cope with it if it's

2267
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:18,579
spread however I really think my first

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01:57:25,170 --> 01:57:21,730
answer is the one that is the

2269
01:57:28,380 --> 01:57:25,180
wondered to think about we want to study

2270
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:28,390
something that could survive in on the

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01:57:36,390 --> 01:57:32,050
surface of the ISS yeah but you and I

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01:57:39,060 --> 01:57:36,400
both seen be a drama distrain okay our

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guest tonight is Linda Moulton Howe this

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01:57:44,100 --> 01:57:41,680
is fade to black take a little break and

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01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:44,110
when we come back I've got to talk about

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this artificial world that we could

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possibly be living in we'll do all of

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to ask you directly this this artificial

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reality the possibility of a binary one

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in zero existence are you okay let's

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just say this plays out the way that

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Silicon Valley's talking about right now

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are you okay with it

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02:03:33,339 --> 02:03:30,169
are you okay oh yes and I think that the

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evidence is building to this being a

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holographic universe and if that

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question keeps coming up if it does in

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science journals and public conferences

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and in the media and it was it was gosh

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I think it was back in April of 2016

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02:03:57,189 --> 02:03:54,889
that there was a recode code computer

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conference in Los Angeles and Elon Musk

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was there and they asked him that

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question are we living in a simulated

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universe and he answered and I'm looking

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right at his quote the odds we are in

2402
02:04:14,830 --> 02:04:12,769
base reality is 1 in billions and what

2403
02:04:18,339 --> 02:04:14,840
that means is he thinks that the odds

2404
02:04:21,490 --> 02:04:18,349
are hugely high against us being in some

2405
02:04:23,290 --> 02:04:21,500
kind of organic natural unique

2406
02:04:24,580 --> 02:04:23,300
hilarity that this is in fact a

2407
02:04:31,450 --> 02:04:24,590
simulated universe

2408
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:31,460
well that month of April in 2016 they

2409
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:34,970
had an American Museum of Natural

2410
02:04:42,040 --> 02:04:38,090
History gathering in New York City and

2411
02:04:44,350 --> 02:04:42,050
it sold out with this being the title to

2412
02:04:48,760 --> 02:04:44,360
the public to come and listen is the

2413
02:04:51,120 --> 02:04:48,770
universe a simulation and the moderator

2414
02:04:54,580 --> 02:04:51,130
was astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson

2415
02:04:57,340 --> 02:04:54,590
and one of the theoretical physicists in

2416
02:04:59,500 --> 02:04:57,350
that debate was James gates he's PhD and

2417
02:05:01,450 --> 02:04:59,510
a professor of theoretical physics at

2418
02:05:04,720 --> 02:05:01,460
University of Maryland in College Park

2419
02:05:07,450 --> 02:05:04,730
and he researchers supersymmetry in

2420
02:05:10,450 --> 02:05:07,460
super string theory and when he was

2421
02:05:14,200 --> 02:05:10,460
asked how could we discover whether we

2422
02:05:18,550 --> 02:05:14,210
live inside of a simulation which

2423
02:05:20,860 --> 02:05:18,560
remember the movie with Keanu Reeves are

2424
02:05:23,170 --> 02:05:20,870
we living inside of a matrix a matrix

2425
02:05:26,770 --> 02:05:23,180
that is established by something else

2426
02:05:31,180 --> 02:05:26,780
humans live in it but we are not aware

2427
02:05:33,970 --> 02:05:31,190
that we're in a computer simulation okay

2428
02:05:36,940 --> 02:05:33,980
so professor gates said at this panel

2429
02:05:39,820 --> 02:05:36,950
thing quote trying to detect the

2430
02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:39,830
presence of codes in the laws that

2431
02:05:48,280 --> 02:05:44,210
describe physics and that when he was

2432
02:05:51,970 --> 02:05:48,290
working in supersymmetry equations he

2433
02:05:54,940 --> 02:05:51,980
was surprised to find that he was

2434
02:05:58,900 --> 02:05:54,950
finding what we would call the kind of

2435
02:06:01,240 --> 02:05:58,910
code that in when you use it you're

2436
02:06:02,950 --> 02:06:01,250
trying to remove errors and computer

2437
02:06:05,530 --> 02:06:02,960
transmissions to make the computer

2438
02:06:07,570 --> 02:06:05,540
browsers work better and the fact that

2439
02:06:10,060 --> 02:06:07,580
they could find something that would be

2440
02:06:13,540 --> 02:06:10,070
a recognizable code at the subatomic

2441
02:06:16,360 --> 02:06:13,550
level reinforced the legitimacy of this

2442
02:06:20,110 --> 02:06:16,370
question at least asking could we be

2443
02:06:24,430 --> 02:06:20,120
living in a virtual reality a generated

2444
02:06:26,970 --> 02:06:24,440
computer network then there were in the

2445
02:06:29,800 --> 02:06:26,980
beginning of this year in February 2017

2446
02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:29,810
there were theoretical physicists who

2447
02:06:35,070 --> 02:06:31,850
did a publication in Physical Review

2448
02:06:38,770 --> 02:06:35,080
Letters and they used the

2449
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:38,780
substantial evidence that we are living

2450
02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:42,410
in a holographic universe and they did

2451
02:06:48,480 --> 02:06:44,330
this you're studying the universe's

2452
02:06:51,700 --> 02:06:48,490
cosmic microwave background and the

2453
02:06:55,720 --> 02:06:51,710
complexity of their work just boiled

2454
02:06:59,740 --> 02:06:55,730
down to that we are seeing more and more

2455
02:07:01,960 --> 02:06:59,750
papers that are establishing more and

2456
02:07:05,260 --> 02:07:01,970
more facets that we could be in a

2457
02:07:12,190 --> 02:07:05,270
holographic universe now let's go back

2458
02:07:14,290 --> 02:07:12,200
to around the Year 1993 I believe a book

2459
02:07:17,850 --> 02:07:14,300
had come out called the holographic

2460
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:17,860
universe by a man named Michael Talbot

2461
02:07:23,740 --> 02:07:21,290
it had a lot of buzz and I was at a

2462
02:07:26,920 --> 02:07:23,750
conference in I think it was Nebraska

2463
02:07:30,100 --> 02:07:26,930
and Budd Hopkins was a speaker there and

2464
02:07:32,290 --> 02:07:30,110
I was a speaker there and and people

2465
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:32,300
were talking all about this the

2466
02:07:38,710 --> 02:07:36,770
holographic universe and when I went to

2467
02:07:40,690 --> 02:07:38,720
the airport it turned out I lived in

2468
02:07:44,280 --> 02:07:40,700
Philadelphia at the time so bud and I

2469
02:07:47,800 --> 02:07:44,290
were on the same plane and we got seats

2470
02:07:50,230 --> 02:07:47,810
together and we were talking about human

2471
02:07:53,740 --> 02:07:50,240
abductions and all of a sudden bud said

2472
02:07:57,610 --> 02:07:53,750
I want to tell you keep it secret

2473
02:08:00,220 --> 02:07:57,620
you got a promise you keep it secret he

2474
02:08:01,690 --> 02:08:00,230
said you know this book that everybody's

2475
02:08:05,410 --> 02:08:01,700
talking about the holographic universe

2476
02:08:08,140 --> 02:08:05,420
by Michael Tablas because Michael Talbot

2477
02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:08,150
has been one of my human abduction cases

2478
02:08:16,900 --> 02:08:11,930
for the past two years no way no way

2479
02:08:19,300 --> 02:08:16,910
wait yeah and and he said that Michael

2480
02:08:22,420 --> 02:08:19,310
Talbot had told bud

2481
02:08:25,680 --> 02:08:22,430
that's his book that was coming out and

2482
02:08:30,340 --> 02:08:25,690
now it was out the holographic universe

2483
02:08:32,680 --> 02:08:30,350
was all based on a telepathic download

2484
02:08:34,840 --> 02:08:32,690
that he got from some of the

2485
02:08:38,950 --> 02:08:34,850
intelligences that had been abducting

2486
02:08:44,530 --> 02:08:38,960
him in his life and that the holographic

2487
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:44,540
universe was the real truth and I don't

2488
02:08:48,850 --> 02:08:47,450
feel that there's anything wrong in

2489
02:08:51,490 --> 02:08:48,860
talking about this

2490
02:08:53,950 --> 02:08:51,500
this year and I talked about it in a

2491
02:08:57,810 --> 02:08:53,960
couple of conferences last year because

2492
02:09:02,200 --> 02:08:57,820
bud passed a long time ago and strangely

2493
02:09:04,930 --> 02:09:02,210
sadly Michael Talbot died within I

2494
02:09:08,980 --> 02:09:04,940
believe it was a year of his book coming

2495
02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:08,990
out so that was back in the 1994 time

2496
02:09:12,970 --> 02:09:10,970
period and yet that book the holographic

2497
02:09:15,990 --> 02:09:12,980
universe by Michael Talbot I would

2498
02:09:22,500 --> 02:09:16,000
recommend everybody read it and then

2499
02:09:26,260 --> 02:09:22,510
come to 2017 going into 2018 there is a

2500
02:09:30,970 --> 02:09:26,270
physicist that I have interviewed for

2501
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:30,980
series at Earth files his name is Thomas

2502
02:09:35,470 --> 02:09:33,050
Campbell he had worked in army

2503
02:09:37,480 --> 02:09:35,480
intelligence and a lot of military stuff

2504
02:09:42,070 --> 02:09:37,490
for in the Defense Department when he

2505
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:42,080
was a younger man and eventually as he

2506
02:09:51,010 --> 02:09:46,010
kept evolving in his own work he came to

2507
02:09:55,390 --> 02:09:51,020
help set up the hemi-sync technology for

2508
02:09:59,500 --> 02:09:55,400
Robert Monroe and Thomas Campbell worked

2509
02:10:02,260 --> 02:09:59,510
with Robert Monroe directly and was

2510
02:10:05,170 --> 02:10:02,270
there working with Monroe when he

2511
02:10:08,860 --> 02:10:05,180
started doing the books the first book

2512
02:10:11,670 --> 02:10:08,870
journeys out of the body and that

2513
02:10:15,430 --> 02:10:11,680
brought this physicist Thomas Campbell

2514
02:10:17,680 --> 02:10:15,440
to have a whole new relationship with

2515
02:10:20,770 --> 02:10:17,690
the universe through the work for Robert

2516
02:10:24,900 --> 02:10:20,780
Monroe in which he became convinced that

2517
02:10:30,700 --> 02:10:24,910
we were not only in a computer-generated

2518
02:10:34,230 --> 02:10:30,710
universe but and this is his mantra we

2519
02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:34,240
are in a universe that is an entropy

2520
02:10:42,970 --> 02:10:39,770
reduction trainer for soul yeah now what

2521
02:10:44,920 --> 02:10:42,980
does that mean entropy is the condition

2522
02:10:51,390 --> 02:10:44,930
of this universe in which energy is

2523
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:51,400
always winding down the whole process of

2524
02:10:59,590 --> 02:10:55,370
energy in this universe is going down

2525
02:11:02,559 --> 02:10:59,600
toward zero so if you're in if you look

2526
02:11:07,959 --> 02:11:02,569
at this as an entropy reduction it means

2527
02:11:11,139 --> 02:11:07,969
the universe that's projected is has a

2528
02:11:13,599 --> 02:11:11,149
working physical law of entropy winding

2529
02:11:16,989 --> 02:11:13,609
down energy so if something's put in

2530
02:11:21,250 --> 02:11:16,999
this universe to be a entropy reduction

2531
02:11:25,239 --> 02:11:21,260
trainer then it means that the whole

2532
02:11:29,409 --> 02:11:25,249
goal of souls would be to do everything

2533
02:11:34,149 --> 02:11:29,419
possible to counteract the decline of

2534
02:11:36,489 --> 02:11:34,159
energy to zero and that means that you

2535
02:11:40,209 --> 02:11:36,499
would emphasize the soul would emphasize

2536
02:11:42,789 --> 02:11:40,219
light instead of dark right love instead

2537
02:11:48,819 --> 02:11:42,799
of hate right life instead of death

2538
02:11:51,389 --> 02:11:48,829
right and that he honestly is convinced

2539
02:11:53,859 --> 02:11:51,399
that this universe has been made

2540
02:11:55,779 --> 02:11:53,869
specifically to Train Souls and that

2541
02:11:58,569 --> 02:11:55,789
there might be an infinite number of

2542
02:12:01,270 --> 02:11:58,579
other kinds of souls that are also

2543
02:12:07,029 --> 02:12:01,280
linked to other dimensions for a whole

2544
02:12:10,359 --> 02:12:07,039
other purposes and when you get to some

2545
02:12:15,069 --> 02:12:10,369
of the questions that I asked him in the

2546
02:12:18,399 --> 02:12:15,079
interview one of them was if it's a

2547
02:12:20,259 --> 02:12:18,409
projected universe as a hologram as I

2548
02:12:24,219 --> 02:12:20,269
understand it on earth like if you go to

2549
02:12:26,619 --> 02:12:24,229
Disneyworld and you see some of the

2550
02:12:28,750 --> 02:12:26,629
holograms where people can be dancing

2551
02:12:35,529 --> 02:12:28,760
and you see their costumes and it's all

2552
02:12:39,489 --> 02:12:35,539
projected light and he said for it to be

2553
02:12:43,270 --> 02:12:39,499
a holographic universe the projector has

2554
02:12:46,959 --> 02:12:43,280
to be outside this universe presumably

2555
02:12:49,539 --> 02:12:46,969
in another dimension which is a lot more

2556
02:12:51,250 --> 02:12:49,549
to think about that the projector cannot

2557
02:12:56,619 --> 02:12:51,260
be in the universe that's being

2558
02:13:00,159 --> 02:12:56,629
projected this is the hologram so he has

2559
02:13:06,479 --> 02:13:00,169
an idea that this universe was

2560
02:13:09,429 --> 02:13:06,489
essentially made from zeros and ones and

2561
02:13:11,019 --> 02:13:09,439
to be a binary system right from the

2562
02:13:14,019 --> 02:13:11,029
beginning and he doesn't think that a

2563
02:13:15,940 --> 02:13:14,029
projector is necessary however all of

2564
02:13:18,300 --> 02:13:15,950
the recent papers

2565
02:13:21,790 --> 02:13:18,310
that have been coming out in this year

2566
02:13:23,890 --> 02:13:21,800
discussing this the I would say that

2567
02:13:26,260 --> 02:13:23,900
they're moving more and more toward what

2568
02:13:28,570 --> 02:13:26,270
Michael Talbot wrote about but this is a

2569
02:13:31,060 --> 02:13:28,580
holographic universe which means it has

2570
02:13:33,610 --> 02:13:31,070
to be being projected and that

2571
02:13:37,020 --> 02:13:33,620
automatically leads the question if it's

2572
02:13:41,140 --> 02:13:37,030
projected if we are in a holographic

2573
02:13:43,420 --> 02:13:41,150
universe who is doing the projecting

2574
02:13:46,810 --> 02:13:43,430
from what dimension

2575
02:13:49,770 --> 02:13:46,820
well that moves this discussion into

2576
02:13:57,640 --> 02:13:49,780
something that I find personally

2577
02:14:01,270 --> 02:13:57,650
exciting to contemplate that we are our

2578
02:14:03,690 --> 02:14:01,280
whole emphasis in our living surface

2579
02:14:10,180 --> 02:14:03,700
life on Earth always seems to be matter

2580
02:14:12,400 --> 02:14:10,190
bodies sex surfaces when the whole point

2581
02:14:15,310 --> 02:14:12,410
of everything going on in this universe

2582
02:14:18,100 --> 02:14:15,320
even if there are wars has to do with

2583
02:14:21,000 --> 02:14:18,110
whether the soul can evolve in order to

2584
02:14:26,230 --> 02:14:21,010
go into some other higher frequency and

2585
02:14:28,750 --> 02:14:26,240
to end up with life and light and love

2586
02:14:32,980 --> 02:14:28,760
instead of hate and war and so forth

2587
02:14:36,550 --> 02:14:32,990
well I asked him a question if he

2588
02:14:40,930 --> 02:14:36,560
thought that reincarnation could be

2589
02:14:43,630 --> 02:14:40,940
playing a very Machinery role in a

2590
02:14:46,210 --> 02:14:43,640
universe in which the if it were true

2591
02:14:48,790 --> 02:14:46,220
there was a entropy reduction trainer

2592
02:14:53,650 --> 02:14:48,800
for souls and he said this is a quote

2593
02:14:56,830 --> 02:14:53,660
from Campbell Thomas Campbell every time

2594
02:15:02,080 --> 02:14:56,840
you go through a lifetime you decrease

2595
02:15:05,890 --> 02:15:02,090
your entropy if you are successful it or

2596
02:15:09,160 --> 02:15:05,900
if you increase it you devolve so the

2597
02:15:14,740 --> 02:15:09,170
next time you get to start where you

2598
02:15:17,680 --> 02:15:14,750
stopped wherever you made it in one go

2599
02:15:21,070 --> 02:15:17,690
around in this universe and you leave

2600
02:15:23,800 --> 02:15:21,080
off your soul spirit goes to another

2601
02:15:26,380 --> 02:15:23,810
dimension and then if it returns here it

2602
02:15:28,060 --> 02:15:26,390
will pick up where it left off and he

2603
02:15:29,590 --> 02:15:28,070
said that's why we go through these

2604
02:15:33,490 --> 02:15:29,600
cycles in our mission

2605
02:15:35,830 --> 02:15:33,500
to grow toward love and away from hate

2606
02:15:40,510 --> 02:15:35,840
and toward light away from darkness and

2607
02:15:42,370 --> 02:15:40,520
toward life away from death and then we

2608
02:15:45,130 --> 02:15:42,380
got into a very interesting discussion

2609
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:45,140
when I asked him well where do you think

2610
02:15:50,620 --> 02:15:47,930
that the avatars of history fit into all

2611
02:15:54,250 --> 02:15:50,630
of this and that would be Buddha and

2612
02:15:56,680 --> 02:15:54,260
Krishna and Christ they came together

2613
02:16:04,000 --> 02:15:56,690
kind of in the time line within 500

2614
02:16:06,790 --> 02:16:04,010
years and then after the saga of Christ

2615
02:16:11,230 --> 02:16:06,800
you go about six hundred and thirty some

2616
02:16:14,470 --> 02:16:11,240
years and you come to another avatar in

2617
02:16:16,990 --> 02:16:14,480
the Middle East Mohammed and you get

2618
02:16:22,480 --> 02:16:17,000
another point of view that gets added to

2619
02:16:24,250 --> 02:16:22,490
this mix but what if missus where Thomas

2620
02:16:26,890 --> 02:16:24,260
Campbell and I went into this deep

2621
02:16:31,570 --> 02:16:26,900
discussion about the whole issue of

2622
02:16:35,800 --> 02:16:31,580
avatars if this is a this universe is

2623
02:16:38,379 --> 02:16:35,810
projected it was made and designed and

2624
02:16:42,550 --> 02:16:38,389
projected specifically as a trainer for

2625
02:16:45,879 --> 02:16:42,560
souls then where the projection is

2626
02:16:49,830 --> 02:16:45,889
whether it's in it tenth dimension or

2627
02:16:54,370 --> 02:16:49,840
wherever it is you could have

2628
02:16:57,970 --> 02:16:54,380
intelligences to come from that level

2629
02:17:00,669 --> 02:16:57,980
from that dimension that can be inserted

2630
02:17:02,520 --> 02:17:00,679
just like professors in a university

2631
02:17:06,780 --> 02:17:02,530
right they would come in here

2632
02:17:10,390 --> 02:17:06,790
specifically to help guide teach

2633
02:17:14,020 --> 02:17:10,400
neutralize whatever it is because

2634
02:17:18,250 --> 02:17:14,030
sometimes in this universe that is

2635
02:17:20,020 --> 02:17:18,260
trying to counteract entropy and entropy

2636
02:17:24,280 --> 02:17:20,030
is a pretty heavy-duty thing to

2637
02:17:28,450 --> 02:17:24,290
counteract right if that life almost on

2638
02:17:31,629 --> 02:17:28,460
the verge of beginning to get outside of

2639
02:17:34,390 --> 02:17:31,639
just survival might need some help and

2640
02:17:37,240 --> 02:17:34,400
that that's where the avatars on this

2641
02:17:40,320 --> 02:17:37,250
planet may have come in each with a

2642
02:17:43,410 --> 02:17:40,330
different flight take but if you go to

2643
02:17:46,589 --> 02:17:43,420
if you go to Christ and Buddha

2644
02:17:52,459 --> 02:17:46,599
krishna and you boiled down essentially

2645
02:17:56,459 --> 02:17:52,469
what they said it comes down to you

2646
02:17:59,910 --> 02:17:56,469
humans you're not understanding what

2647
02:18:03,990 --> 02:17:59,920
happens at the moment of death and we're

2648
02:18:06,540 --> 02:18:04,000
trying to tell you Buddha had a lot to

2649
02:18:08,969 --> 02:18:06,550
say about reincarnation and that you

2650
02:18:11,669 --> 02:18:08,979
would get off the reincarnation wheel if

2651
02:18:14,009 --> 02:18:11,679
you reached a point in soul development

2652
02:18:17,219 --> 02:18:14,019
where you didn't desire anything that

2653
02:18:20,759 --> 02:18:17,229
was his contribution that's right if you

2654
02:18:23,700 --> 02:18:20,769
went to Krishna in India where the

2655
02:18:27,299 --> 02:18:23,710
Vimanas were the silver discs that were

2656
02:18:30,270 --> 02:18:27,309
drawn and painted and seemed to be very

2657
02:18:33,660 --> 02:18:30,280
real at one time and you boiled down

2658
02:18:36,390 --> 02:18:33,670
what he said his communication was the

2659
02:18:38,040 --> 02:18:36,400
universe was teeming with life that he

2660
02:18:42,690 --> 02:18:38,050
had come from another part of the

2661
02:18:45,990 --> 02:18:42,700
universe and again it was stressing that

2662
02:18:49,080 --> 02:18:46,000
souls recycled in reincarnation if you

2663
02:18:51,929 --> 02:18:49,090
come to Christ you could say that

2664
02:18:58,469 --> 02:18:51,939
essentially this was a being who looked

2665
02:19:03,030 --> 02:18:58,479
at some people and said I will die in

2666
02:19:05,100 --> 02:19:03,040
front of you and I will return and I

2667
02:19:09,299 --> 02:19:05,110
will walk among you so you will

2668
02:19:13,740 --> 02:19:09,309
understand that the moment of death is a

2669
02:19:17,459 --> 02:19:13,750
transition some of you will recognize me

2670
02:19:23,940 --> 02:19:17,469
after that transition but most did not

2671
02:19:27,509 --> 02:19:23,950
and the the whole key there being in all

2672
02:19:31,500 --> 02:19:27,519
three they were talking about life after

2673
02:19:34,679 --> 02:19:31,510
death in a cycle so in the Michael

2674
02:19:39,150 --> 02:19:34,689
Talbot book in the whole idea of thomas

2675
02:19:43,919 --> 02:19:39,160
campbell the there's a theme and theme

2676
02:19:46,790 --> 02:19:43,929
is that the matter containers that we

2677
02:19:50,250 --> 02:19:46,800
and other life forms are in are just

2678
02:19:52,530 --> 02:19:50,260
carrying around the soul spirit to have

2679
02:19:57,179 --> 02:19:52,540
the interactions to try to counteract

2680
02:19:57,661 --> 02:19:57,189
entropy to try to evolve and we're on a

2681
02:19:59,940 --> 02:19:57,671
plane

2682
02:20:01,801 --> 02:19:59,950
we're unfortunately the container body

2683
02:20:05,821 --> 02:20:01,811
seems to get most of the attention

2684
02:20:08,461 --> 02:20:05,831
rather than the soul but maybe part of

2685
02:20:09,810 --> 02:20:08,471
this revolutionary time if we could get

2686
02:20:11,791 --> 02:20:09,820
to that announcement that we're not

2687
02:20:16,171 --> 02:20:11,801
alone in this universe and that there is

2688
02:20:19,081 --> 02:20:16,181
a tremendous amount to explore and that

2689
02:20:23,220 --> 02:20:19,091
it can be exciting and dangerous and all

2690
02:20:25,650 --> 02:20:23,230
of those things but that to truly evolve

2691
02:20:29,091 --> 02:20:25,660
if we're going to get past this

2692
02:20:31,381 --> 02:20:29,101
existential threat of ourselves an

2693
02:20:34,171 --> 02:20:31,391
existential threat that's being rubbed

2694
02:20:36,150 --> 02:20:34,181
in our faces every day now about what

2695
02:20:38,331 --> 02:20:36,160
could be a threat from North Korea in

2696
02:20:44,631 --> 02:20:38,341
terms of some sort of a nuclear

2697
02:20:51,381 --> 02:20:44,641
explosion if we get past all of that

2698
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:51,391
what a I think thrilling exhilarating

2699
02:20:57,661 --> 02:20:54,160
contemplation that we could get to a

2700
02:21:01,310 --> 02:20:57,671
point where we could move point to point

2701
02:21:04,680 --> 02:21:01,320
in this universe not Euclidean geometry

2702
02:21:08,001 --> 02:21:04,690
in other words we we wouldn't have to be

2703
02:21:11,251 --> 02:21:08,011
in spaceships going for months or years

2704
02:21:14,220 --> 02:21:11,261
anywhere that we would learn what the

2705
02:21:18,150 --> 02:21:14,230
nonhumans that come here seem to have

2706
02:21:21,541 --> 02:21:18,160
already refined in spades that they can

2707
02:21:24,871 --> 02:21:21,551
bend space and time and move point to

2708
02:21:26,761 --> 02:21:24,881
point to this universe and that when

2709
02:21:30,421 --> 02:21:26,771
people in science fiction have written

2710
02:21:34,861 --> 02:21:30,431
about you have a station that you can go

2711
02:21:37,591 --> 02:21:34,871
to and it's essentially like you put in

2712
02:21:40,350 --> 02:21:37,601
the math of the coordinates in the

2713
02:21:42,451 --> 02:21:40,360
universe where you want to be and it has

2714
02:21:44,581 --> 02:21:42,461
to do with resonance and frequency and

2715
02:21:47,371 --> 02:21:44,591
you move through something that is like

2716
02:21:50,430 --> 02:21:47,381
a hallway to a door and you open the

2717
02:21:53,611 --> 02:21:50,440
door and where you step over you could

2718
02:21:59,371 --> 02:21:53,621
be 5 billion light-years from where you

2719
02:22:01,980 --> 02:21:59,381
were in a whole new place and that when

2720
02:22:05,940 --> 02:22:01,990
I say these words that still today to

2721
02:22:08,671 --> 02:22:05,950
humans are science fiction a strong part

2722
02:22:11,460 --> 02:22:08,681
of me is convinced from some physicists

2723
02:22:15,719 --> 02:22:11,470
I've talked to confidentially that that

2724
02:22:18,840 --> 02:22:15,729
is possible in the physics that we're

2725
02:22:23,250 --> 02:22:18,850
moving toward if we survive ourselves on

2726
02:22:24,900 --> 02:22:23,260
earth I want to thank you for for

2727
02:22:27,630 --> 02:22:24,910
spending this time with us and you know

2728
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:27,640
in this holiday season but before I let

2729
02:22:32,719 --> 02:22:30,010
you go Linda I've kind of asked I need

2730
02:22:39,090 --> 02:22:32,729
some secret info okay

2731
02:22:39,330 --> 02:22:39,100
say yes Jimmy for you anything oh come

2732
02:22:42,450 --> 02:22:39,340
on

2733
02:22:46,200 --> 02:22:42,460
I would never is this I was so excited

2734
02:22:49,440 --> 02:22:46,210
to hear about a Sony doing this series

2735
02:22:52,679 --> 02:22:49,450
on Rendlesham so who's playing john

2736
02:22:54,330 --> 02:22:52,689
burroughs well that is a good and

2737
02:22:58,019 --> 02:22:54,340
interesting question but you know that

2738
02:23:01,080 --> 02:22:58,029
was a little bit unfair they are they

2739
02:23:05,550 --> 02:23:01,090
dangled this it made it sound like it

2740
02:23:07,650 --> 02:23:05,560
was already ago but this is a concept at

2741
02:23:10,139 --> 02:23:07,660
this point and they're talking about

2742
02:23:14,059 --> 02:23:10,149
that whatever they're going to do the

2743
02:23:17,820 --> 02:23:14,069
actual airing would not be before 2019

2744
02:23:21,450 --> 02:23:17,830
so we're at a very early stage and you

2745
02:23:23,880 --> 02:23:21,460
know Hollywood does this the BBC can do

2746
02:23:25,950 --> 02:23:23,890
this this is where there will be

2747
02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:25,960
something in the media and they're

2748
02:23:31,050 --> 02:23:28,810
talking about how they're going to do

2749
02:23:33,990 --> 02:23:31,060
this concept or this book or this story

2750
02:23:36,479 --> 02:23:34,000
and then they see what kind of reaction

2751
02:23:38,490 --> 02:23:36,489
they get that helps maybe raise the

2752
02:23:40,380 --> 02:23:38,500
funds that they need to actually do the

2753
02:23:43,679 --> 02:23:40,390
production and something like that seems

2754
02:23:47,729 --> 02:23:43,689
to have happen around this and I really

2755
02:23:49,590 --> 02:23:47,739
hope that John and I and others that

2756
02:23:53,160 --> 02:23:49,600
will be involved because I think if

2757
02:23:55,320 --> 02:23:53,170
they're going to do a production it's I

2758
02:23:57,660 --> 02:23:55,330
think it's called Levin's our production

2759
02:23:59,280 --> 02:23:57,670
right they should be they should be

2760
02:24:02,040 --> 02:23:59,290
working with the people who actually

2761
02:24:05,160 --> 02:24:02,050
have the real experience and the real

2762
02:24:06,420 --> 02:24:05,170
data so I hope this is going to be a

2763
02:24:09,809 --> 02:24:06,430
production that will go in that

2764
02:24:15,269 --> 02:24:09,819
direction as opposed to just sigh fiying

2765
02:24:17,490 --> 02:24:15,279
a concept and frankly in all of the

2766
02:24:21,809 --> 02:24:17,500
production work that I have done for so

2767
02:24:24,580 --> 02:24:21,819
long the real mysteries the real world

2768
02:24:27,070 --> 02:24:24,590
the real universe is

2769
02:24:30,070 --> 02:24:27,080
far more interesting than doing it a

2770
02:24:32,530 --> 02:24:30,080
science fiction have they are you saying

2771
02:24:34,389 --> 02:24:32,540
that they haven't even approached any of

2772
02:24:37,870 --> 02:24:34,399
the players like yourself or burrows or

2773
02:24:39,219 --> 02:24:37,880
Penniston for for consulting on this I

2774
02:24:42,010 --> 02:24:39,229
don't think so

2775
02:24:44,110 --> 02:24:42,020
really John yeah and that's why I'm

2776
02:24:46,719 --> 02:24:44,120
saying it's early and it was like

2777
02:24:50,590 --> 02:24:46,729
something that was dangled and if they

2778
02:24:52,300 --> 02:24:50,600
actually have every thing in place and

2779
02:24:54,040 --> 02:24:52,310
that they've actually started production

2780
02:24:56,590 --> 02:24:54,050
that's the problem

2781
02:24:58,630 --> 02:24:56,600
why would they do that without having

2782
02:25:01,240 --> 02:24:58,640
the very people who have all of the

2783
02:25:03,370 --> 02:25:01,250
information involved it doesn't make

2784
02:25:13,240 --> 02:25:03,380
sense to me I'm all bummed I wanted to

2785
02:25:16,300 --> 02:25:13,250
go read for a part go ahead go ahead

2786
02:25:19,240 --> 02:25:16,310
good oh I just started to say that when

2787
02:25:22,300 --> 02:25:19,250
it comes to the not to the science

2788
02:25:26,200 --> 02:25:22,310
fiction versus the nonfiction I know

2789
02:25:29,740 --> 02:25:26,210
that Hollywood and various producers

2790
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:29,750
everything has to be sort of they think

2791
02:25:37,929 --> 02:25:33,770
jazzed up to get audiences into the TV

2792
02:25:42,730 --> 02:25:37,939
or into theaters and the I saw that

2793
02:25:45,160 --> 02:25:42,740
happen on a feature film that was made

2794
02:25:50,530 --> 02:25:45,170
about the animal mutilations going back

2795
02:25:53,380 --> 02:25:50,540
to around the early 1980s and it was a

2796
02:25:57,429 --> 02:25:53,390
film called endangered species and I

2797
02:25:59,800 --> 02:25:57,439
went to see it and it was so bad in the

2798
02:26:02,469 --> 02:25:59,810
respect that they didn't even show the

2799
02:26:03,340 --> 02:26:02,479
eerie bloodless trackless animal

2800
02:26:06,219 --> 02:26:03,350
mutilations

2801
02:26:10,389 --> 02:26:06,229
they showed gore and I thought at that

2802
02:26:12,520 --> 02:26:10,399
time why is it that people who are in

2803
02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:12,530
Hollywood in other places why is it that

2804
02:26:19,570 --> 02:26:15,770
they can't literally take the real facts

2805
02:26:22,840 --> 02:26:19,580
of phenomena and mystery that is the

2806
02:26:25,480 --> 02:26:22,850
part that is fascinating and I think

2807
02:26:28,480 --> 02:26:25,490
that if they did if they could do

2808
02:26:30,760 --> 02:26:28,490
something that really went to the facts

2809
02:26:33,099 --> 02:26:30,770
as we know them about what happened in

2810
02:26:36,250 --> 02:26:33,109
Rendlesham forest and is constantly

2811
02:26:38,320 --> 02:26:36,260
evolving to this day Jimmy that's one of

2812
02:26:42,640 --> 02:26:38,330
the startling things

2813
02:26:45,580 --> 02:26:42,650
so many moving parts for December 26 to

2814
02:26:48,490 --> 02:26:45,590
28 and perhaps even a day or two after

2815
02:26:51,640 --> 02:26:48,500
there are so many moving parts of so

2816
02:26:54,130 --> 02:26:51,650
many people and the fact that John

2817
02:26:56,230 --> 02:26:54,140
burrows cannot remember for example in

2818
02:26:58,870 --> 02:26:56,240
December 26 what happened after the

2819
02:27:01,540 --> 02:26:58,880
blinding white light that they had Jim

2820
02:27:04,270 --> 02:27:01,550
Penniston and John both remembered and

2821
02:27:06,790 --> 02:27:04,280
that John is the only person who was

2822
02:27:10,060 --> 02:27:06,800
engulfed in light twice on two nights

2823
02:27:14,560 --> 02:27:10,070
and seen by witnesses and he cannot

2824
02:27:17,950 --> 02:27:14,570
remember the details that to me is a

2825
02:27:22,090 --> 02:27:17,960
part of the phenomena that we should

2826
02:27:24,610 --> 02:27:22,100
explore even more and that's what a lot

2827
02:27:28,030 --> 02:27:24,620
of people don't have the patience for

2828
02:27:31,960 --> 02:27:28,040
and that's why you sometimes get fiction

2829
02:27:36,190 --> 02:27:31,970
that overwhelms I think the true and

2830
02:27:38,680 --> 02:27:36,200
real mystery nature of the nonfiction so

2831
02:27:42,070 --> 02:27:38,690
I don't know what will happen but let's

2832
02:27:45,310 --> 02:27:42,080
hope that they do try to tell as much of

2833
02:27:49,120 --> 02:27:45,320
the truth as is knowable for whatever

2834
02:27:51,011 --> 02:27:49,130
they're going to broadcast you know 2017

2835
02:27:53,310 --> 02:27:51,021
was extraordinary and on so many

2836
02:27:55,330 --> 02:27:53,320
different fronts I could sit here name

2837
02:27:58,690 --> 02:27:55,340
different things that have happened and

2838
02:28:01,810 --> 02:27:58,700
and so forth but as exciting as it has

2839
02:28:08,740 --> 02:28:01,820
been what do you what do you expect to

2840
02:28:10,480 --> 02:28:08,750
see in in 2018 that is a show that John

2841
02:28:13,990 --> 02:28:10,490
Burroughs and I are going to do with

2842
02:28:16,990 --> 02:28:14,000
Grant Cameron on December 14th on

2843
02:28:19,930 --> 02:28:17,000
phenomena radio KCRA that's exactly our

2844
02:28:22,660 --> 02:28:19,940
question and grant who has kept his

2845
02:28:25,480 --> 02:28:22,670
fingers on the pulse of everyone from

2846
02:28:27,700 --> 02:28:25,490
Tom DeLonge to other people working on

2847
02:28:29,680 --> 02:28:27,710
the same issue of we're not alone in

2848
02:28:32,530 --> 02:28:29,690
this universe and we need to get this

2849
02:28:34,960 --> 02:28:32,540
headline around the world we're going to

2850
02:28:39,970 --> 02:28:34,970
discuss that for two hours on phenomenon

2851
02:28:41,920 --> 02:28:39,980
on a week from this Thursday so I hope

2852
02:28:44,801 --> 02:28:41,930
everybody will tune in and I'm

2853
02:28:48,250 --> 02:28:44,811
deflecting because I think that that

2854
02:28:51,220 --> 02:28:48,260
will be what grants insights are will be

2855
02:28:52,540 --> 02:28:51,230
worth paying attention to because none

2856
02:28:57,099 --> 02:28:52,550
of us know for sure

2857
02:29:01,000 --> 02:28:57,109
but every one of us is expecting maybe

2858
02:29:05,590 --> 02:29:01,010
with hope but expecting that 2018 will

2859
02:29:08,200 --> 02:29:05,600
be the pivot that we are not alone in

2860
02:29:09,910 --> 02:29:08,210
this universe and Jimmy when that

2861
02:29:13,840 --> 02:29:09,920
happens we have to do another show

2862
02:29:17,110 --> 02:29:13,850
together Linda thank you so much okay

2863
02:29:21,150 --> 02:29:17,120
and be safe out there I wanted to ask

2864
02:29:23,230 --> 02:29:21,160
you one I wanted to ask you this earlier

2865
02:29:26,860 --> 02:29:23,240
we're gonna we're going to depart with

2866
02:29:31,000 --> 02:29:26,870
this you had brought up you know the

2867
02:29:33,639 --> 02:29:31,010
mirror and Alice in Wonderland have did

2868
02:29:36,760 --> 02:29:33,649
you ever when you go back to Paul

2869
02:29:40,360 --> 02:29:36,770
bennewitz or any of the craziness back

2870
02:29:42,820 --> 02:29:40,370
then through to today have you ever you

2871
02:29:44,380 --> 02:29:42,830
know questioned yourself too as well you

2872
02:29:47,290 --> 02:29:44,390
know that whole Alice in Wonderland

2873
02:29:53,320 --> 02:29:47,300
thing that maybe you took it a step too

2874
02:29:55,980 --> 02:29:53,330
far oh no because every step of my long

2875
02:29:59,740 --> 02:29:55,990
journey in all of this has always been

2876
02:30:02,830 --> 02:29:59,750
going to forensic evidence right going

2877
02:30:06,460 --> 02:30:02,840
out and gathering tissue gathering soil

2878
02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:06,470
gathering plants interviewing first-hand

2879
02:30:12,969 --> 02:30:09,770
eyewitnesses I really do have the heart

2880
02:30:15,969 --> 02:30:12,979
and mind of a journalist and they the

2881
02:30:17,889 --> 02:30:15,979
thing I respect and what I'm always

2882
02:30:20,710 --> 02:30:17,899
going after is the pressure of fact

2883
02:30:24,969 --> 02:30:20,720
always have and when you are in that

2884
02:30:28,179 --> 02:30:24,979
mode all of the time no matter what the

2885
02:30:31,210 --> 02:30:28,189
drama is there's something in me that

2886
02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:31,220
always rebalances back to the left brain

2887
02:30:39,969 --> 02:30:35,770
side of analysis and that I think

2888
02:30:43,780 --> 02:30:39,979
curiosity keep curiosity but keep trying

2889
02:30:46,929 --> 02:30:43,790
to establish hard forensic facts it will

2890
02:30:50,410 --> 02:30:46,939
keep you level it keeps you going you

2891
02:30:53,440 --> 02:30:50,420
will find data that is quite mysterious

2892
02:30:55,420 --> 02:30:53,450
and anybody who has really seriously

2893
02:31:00,040 --> 02:30:55,430
studied any of the animal mutilations

2894
02:31:03,790 --> 02:31:00,050
can tell you that and then you go into

2895
02:31:06,340 --> 02:31:03,800
the deep profound mystery of what is

2896
02:31:08,679 --> 02:31:06,350
really happening in the human abduction

2897
02:31:11,530 --> 02:31:08,689
and that is like diving into an ocean

2898
02:31:14,320 --> 02:31:11,540
that has no bottom and that then says to

2899
02:31:17,019 --> 02:31:14,330
me that the human abduction is a

2900
02:31:20,979 --> 02:31:17,029
phenomena that is interacting with the

2901
02:31:24,250 --> 02:31:20,989
alien presence but that the reasons that

2902
02:31:28,210 --> 02:31:24,260
the alien presence interacts with human

2903
02:31:33,700 --> 02:31:28,220
beings with Holograms real Holograms in

2904
02:31:39,040 --> 02:31:33,710
rooms with illusion with deception with

2905
02:31:42,700 --> 02:31:39,050
all kinds of ways that in a sense are

2906
02:31:46,059 --> 02:31:42,710
always like testing humans probing

2907
02:31:50,080 --> 02:31:46,069
humans monitoring humans that leave me

2908
02:31:53,649 --> 02:31:50,090
thinking now as we move into 2018 that a

2909
02:31:56,530 --> 02:31:53,659
true concept about the relationship of

2910
02:32:01,269 --> 02:31:56,540
Homo Sapien on this planet to an alien

2911
02:32:04,719 --> 02:32:01,279
presence is that we are closer to that

2912
02:32:08,399 --> 02:32:04,729
which is on the petri dish and then I am

2913
02:32:11,229 --> 02:32:08,409
trying to understand what is the eye

2914
02:32:16,210 --> 02:32:11,239
that is looking down to the microscope

2915
02:32:19,090 --> 02:32:16,220
on us what does it want is it

2916
02:32:21,309 --> 02:32:19,100
the projector in another dimension that

2917
02:32:25,269 --> 02:32:21,319
is projecting a three-dimensional

2918
02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:25,279
hologram that is our universe and if

2919
02:32:31,899 --> 02:32:28,970
that is true then how big does this

2920
02:32:34,870 --> 02:32:31,909
chess game go run and those are the

2921
02:32:36,939 --> 02:32:34,880
questions that stimulate me excite me I

2922
02:32:39,550 --> 02:32:36,949
don't find anything in this that's

2923
02:32:43,960 --> 02:32:39,560
frightening and when when Buchanan says

2924
02:32:47,399 --> 02:32:43,970
that they we have allies that I hang on

2925
02:32:51,429 --> 02:32:47,409
to because on earth they're our enemies

2926
02:32:54,700 --> 02:32:51,439
they're our enemies and in in human

2927
02:32:57,490 --> 02:32:54,710
existence so to learn that there might

2928
02:32:59,590 --> 02:32:57,500
be enemies to certain kinds of life in

2929
02:33:02,620 --> 02:32:59,600
the universe it doesn't scare me

2930
02:33:06,490 --> 02:33:02,630
it doesn't depress me it excites me to

2931
02:33:09,309 --> 02:33:06,500
want to understand it all at the biggest

2932
02:33:11,290 --> 02:33:09,319
level and I can't imagine what could be

2933
02:33:13,689 --> 02:33:11,300
more wonderful and maybe that's part of

2934
02:33:18,849 --> 02:33:13,699
the problem that you have to go around

2935
02:33:21,609 --> 02:33:18,859
in various cycles in order to learn

2936
02:33:24,999 --> 02:33:21,619
the whole thing because it's so big but

2937
02:33:27,069 --> 02:33:25,009
my god to live with the kind of

2938
02:33:28,959 --> 02:33:27,079
excitement and explore the questions

2939
02:33:30,489 --> 02:33:28,969
that we've talked about tonight I can't

2940
02:33:33,550 --> 02:33:30,499
imagine doing anything else

2941
02:33:35,789 --> 02:33:33,560
yeah you know and when we look at things

2942
02:33:38,800 --> 02:33:35,799
in its totality not only with this

2943
02:33:42,879 --> 02:33:38,810
bacteria on you know the ISS or

2944
02:33:46,419 --> 02:33:42,889
exoplanets or Alpha Centauri and and

2945
02:33:49,719 --> 02:33:46,429
fast radio bursts I mean these are crazy

2946
02:33:51,760 --> 02:33:49,729
exciting times and then this this new

2947
02:33:54,969 --> 02:33:51,770
chamber at the Great Pyramid right they

2948
02:33:57,399 --> 02:33:54,979
hear what is going on with that and and

2949
02:34:00,729 --> 02:33:57,409
you throw in everything else it seems

2950
02:34:04,089 --> 02:34:00,739
like there is something about to blow up

2951
02:34:05,339 --> 02:34:04,099
and the Big B could be right around the

2952
02:34:10,919 --> 02:34:05,349
corner

2953
02:34:14,199 --> 02:34:10,929
well if it no matter which way it goes

2954
02:34:17,949 --> 02:34:14,209
if you look back through the lens of the

2955
02:34:20,469 --> 02:34:17,959
avatars of history right it is as if the

2956
02:34:23,529 --> 02:34:20,479
avatars have always in different ways

2957
02:34:25,599 --> 02:34:23,539
that always said the same thing do not

2958
02:34:30,909 --> 02:34:25,609
be afraid of death

2959
02:34:33,749 --> 02:34:30,919
it is only part of a cycle and that the

2960
02:34:37,919 --> 02:34:33,759
cycle has to do with getting the soul

2961
02:34:41,589 --> 02:34:37,929
beyond concentration on the matter body

2962
02:34:45,300 --> 02:34:41,599
into something else that is beyond our

2963
02:34:48,279 --> 02:34:45,310
comprehension but I think is worth

2964
02:34:51,879 --> 02:34:48,289
trying to keep understanding in this

2965
02:34:55,929 --> 02:34:51,889
life with the confidence that the cycle

2966
02:34:59,649 --> 02:34:55,939
goes on and that we are we are just

2967
02:35:02,199 --> 02:34:59,659
scratching the tip of the iceberg of

2968
02:35:04,869 --> 02:35:02,209
where we are on earth now in comparison

2969
02:35:09,039 --> 02:35:04,879
to where we would be in a hundred years

2970
02:35:17,949 --> 02:35:09,049
if we survived ourselves and we will and

2971
02:35:20,050 --> 02:35:17,959
Linda survived Christmas okay absolutely

2972
02:35:22,029 --> 02:35:20,060
and we'll see you at the conscious life

2973
02:35:22,929 --> 02:35:22,039
Expo in just two short months thank you

2974
02:35:26,859 --> 02:35:22,939
so much Linda

2975
02:35:31,449 --> 02:35:26,869
all right later later Linda Moulton Howe

2976
02:35:32,230 --> 02:35:31,459
everybody again Earth files.com start

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02:35:34,990 --> 02:35:32,240
your day off

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02:35:38,500 --> 02:35:35,000
right there there is more knowledge on

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02:35:41,290 --> 02:35:38,510
earth files than you know and I go there

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02:35:43,570 --> 02:35:41,300
when I it's funny I've told Linda this

2981
02:35:47,381 --> 02:35:43,580
way too many times I go to earth files

2982
02:35:49,270 --> 02:35:47,391
when I need material and I do just that

2983
02:35:52,120 --> 02:35:49,280
Linda Moulton Howe thank you so much a

2984
02:35:53,591 --> 02:35:52,130
true national treasure this is fade to

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02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:53,601
black I'm gonna take a quick break right

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02:35:58,961 --> 02:35:56,090
here you can follow Linda at earthfiles

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02:36:00,220 --> 02:35:58,971
on twitter you can follow me at a church

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02:36:02,860 --> 02:36:00,230
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2989
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answer some phone calls and some other

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younger you know your hair was thicker

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you didn't have so many wrinkles that

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extra weight wasn't haunting you and you

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will feel when your family and friends

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are asking you what you did to look so

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welcome back feed the black what's going

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on above the bunker

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we'll find out crazy day here today glad

3070
02:40:40,781 --> 02:40:39,320
we got through the show and and these

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fires and what's going on here in

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Southern California and our thoughts are

3073
02:40:49,361 --> 02:40:45,291
with everybody out there who has lost

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their homes this is the holidays and and

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all of the pets and the animals and

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02:40:57,761 --> 02:40:55,070
things you know it's a it's absolutely

3077
02:40:59,651 --> 02:40:57,771
crazy here right now and so there you go

3078
02:41:02,560 --> 02:40:59,661
I do want to thank Linda Moulton Howe

3079
02:41:05,531 --> 02:41:02,570
for coming in tonight a great great

3080
02:41:08,191 --> 02:41:05,541
great conversation I've got a few calls

3081
02:41:14,231 --> 02:41:08,201
on hold I will get to those in a second

3082
02:41:16,390 --> 02:41:14,241
and I wanted to kind of to go back and

3083
02:41:18,220 --> 02:41:16,400
reflect on a couple of things that we

3084
02:41:22,001 --> 02:41:18,230
just talked about here and one of them

3085
02:41:24,611 --> 02:41:22,011
is this and I have I thought about this

3086
02:41:26,680 --> 02:41:24,621
more and more lately I mentioned this a

3087
02:41:29,411 --> 02:41:26,690
couple of weeks ago on the show Rita and

3088
02:41:32,801 --> 02:41:29,421
I were having a conversation one night

3089
02:41:34,930 --> 02:41:32,811
and the this thought came out and I

3090
02:41:40,001 --> 02:41:34,940
mentioned it with Richard Dolan and that

3091
02:41:43,241 --> 02:41:40,011
is seriously planet Earth has got to be

3092
02:41:47,381 --> 02:41:43,251
us hear us earthlings you know we're the

3093
02:41:51,060 --> 02:41:47,391
hillbillies of the universe we have to

3094
02:41:56,171 --> 02:41:51,070
be and and and look at it like this

3095
02:41:58,421 --> 02:41:56,181
seriously let's say you know you're et

3096
02:42:01,331 --> 02:41:58,431
and you're out there and you know you're

3097
02:42:05,741 --> 02:42:01,341
cruising around and and your boss comes

3098
02:42:08,621 --> 02:42:05,751
in and says okay dude we're gonna send

3099
02:42:10,930 --> 02:42:08,631
you on a Scout mission we're gonna you

3100
02:42:13,091 --> 02:42:10,940
know send you over to earth and check up

3101
02:42:17,321 --> 02:42:13,101
on things over there and and you would

3102
02:42:21,541 --> 02:42:17,331
be like man why why why do I have to go

3103
02:42:23,801 --> 02:42:21,551
to earth there's nothing there right

3104
02:42:25,571 --> 02:42:23,811
Earthlings haven't done anything yet

3105
02:42:27,581 --> 02:42:25,581
they haven't

3106
02:42:30,991 --> 02:42:27,591
there's no interstellar or anything they

3107
02:42:34,480 --> 02:42:31,001
you know they barely made it to the moon

3108
02:42:38,140 --> 02:42:34,490
you know there's just nothing going what

3109
02:42:40,990 --> 02:42:38,150
would why me why do I have to go it's

3110
02:42:43,660 --> 02:42:41,000
that's probably the conversation you

3111
02:42:46,930 --> 02:42:43,670
know and and so you know dude you know

3112
02:42:50,710 --> 02:42:46,940
gets on his little ship and he has to do

3113
02:42:52,719 --> 02:42:50,720
his Scout mission right and he comes to

3114
02:42:57,940 --> 02:42:52,729
earth and he lands he's walking around

3115
02:43:00,550 --> 02:42:57,950
and you know comes up to - - she's some

3116
02:43:02,980 --> 02:43:00,560
some physicists some scientists or

3117
02:43:05,110 --> 02:43:02,990
whatever they're walking around and and

3118
02:43:05,469 --> 02:43:05,120
he's like you know and check this out

3119
02:43:07,330 --> 02:43:05,479
man

3120
02:43:09,400 --> 02:43:07,340
you know our technology you know we've

3121
02:43:12,820 --> 02:43:09,410
got we've got cell phones we've got the

3122
02:43:15,670 --> 02:43:12,830
internet we've you know we're doing that

3123
02:43:19,570 --> 02:43:15,680
you know and and et would just be like

3124
02:43:21,370 --> 02:43:19,580
man it's just go away little man I have

3125
02:43:25,360 --> 02:43:21,380
nothing to discuss with you

3126
02:43:30,070 --> 02:43:25,370
but but we've we've built things have

3127
02:43:33,719 --> 02:43:30,080
you seen our space shuttle you know go

3128
02:43:37,680 --> 02:43:33,729
away little man you're bothering me

3129
02:43:44,710 --> 02:43:37,690
think about that conversation with et

3130
02:43:49,900 --> 02:43:44,720
what would we impress et with what is it

3131
02:43:54,130 --> 02:43:49,910
some total light being intelligent thing

3132
02:43:57,850 --> 02:43:54,140
that is here visiting us what is it that

3133
02:44:03,550 --> 02:43:57,860
we could impress them with what have we

3134
02:44:06,790 --> 02:44:03,560
done right we light firecrackers and and

3135
02:44:09,670 --> 02:44:06,800
and and leave the planet you know okay

3136
02:44:12,670 --> 02:44:09,680
we've got satellites you know what is it

3137
02:44:15,280 --> 02:44:12,680
you know fossil fuel technology we don't

3138
02:44:17,770 --> 02:44:15,290
have any anything to impress them with

3139
02:44:20,980 --> 02:44:17,780
we don't have any gravity we don't have

3140
02:44:25,260 --> 02:44:20,990
time travel right we're not bending

3141
02:44:28,810 --> 02:44:25,270
space we're not traveling to the stars

3142
02:44:29,380 --> 02:44:28,820
we haven't done anything we haven't done

3143
02:44:33,640 --> 02:44:29,390
anything

3144
02:44:35,860 --> 02:44:33,650
our communication on this planet okay oh

3145
02:44:40,510 --> 02:44:35,870
we've got wireless technology you know

3146
02:44:44,680 --> 02:44:40,520
what we have wires Wireless is part of

3147
02:44:46,900 --> 02:44:44,690
our wired communication network you know

3148
02:44:50,110 --> 02:44:46,910
we're we don't have

3149
02:44:54,640 --> 02:44:50,120
teleportation right we don't have we

3150
02:45:01,301 --> 02:44:54,650
what would we impress et with think

3151
02:45:04,210 --> 02:45:01,311
about that nothing you know and I just

3152
02:45:06,910 --> 02:45:04,220
I'm fat so yeah we're the hillbillies of

3153
02:45:09,341 --> 02:45:06,920
the universe we haven't we haven't gone

3154
02:45:11,850 --> 02:45:09,351
to the next step of anything I was

3155
02:45:17,680 --> 02:45:11,860
watching last night I was watching an

3156
02:45:19,870 --> 02:45:17,690
amazing documentary on Voyager Voyager 1

3157
02:45:22,600 --> 02:45:19,880
and 2 was just released 2017 released

3158
02:45:24,730 --> 02:45:22,610
great documentary and and it's

3159
02:45:26,980 --> 02:45:24,740
fascinating and you should go and check

3160
02:45:29,591 --> 02:45:26,990
that out yeah Carl Sagan and the gold

3161
02:45:32,830 --> 02:45:29,601
record and what's on it and and how we

3162
02:45:34,780 --> 02:45:32,840
time the flyby into Pater's so we can

3163
02:45:37,660 --> 02:45:34,790
make it out to Neptune and and and

3164
02:45:40,080 --> 02:45:37,670
Saturn and and and Uranus and and and

3165
02:45:42,940 --> 02:45:40,090
all that yeah okay and now they're

3166
02:45:47,200 --> 02:45:42,950
outside of the solar system you know our

3167
02:45:52,930 --> 02:45:47,210
first interstellar craft but but that's

3168
02:45:56,700 --> 02:45:52,940
that that was 1977 this is 2017 forty

3169
02:46:00,070 --> 02:45:56,710
years later when have we actually done

3170
02:46:01,740 --> 02:46:00,080
you know what would we impress et with

3171
02:46:05,500 --> 02:46:01,750
what is it

3172
02:46:09,610 --> 02:46:05,510
what would we step forward with and say

3173
02:46:11,801 --> 02:46:09,620
we are your brothers I mean we we have

3174
02:46:15,160 --> 02:46:11,811
done this we have taken the next step

3175
02:46:17,740 --> 02:46:15,170
and I'm not too sure if we have it

3176
02:46:23,830 --> 02:46:17,750
certainly wouldn't be the iPhone will it

3177
02:46:27,450 --> 02:46:23,840
with that impress et right a Tesla that

3178
02:46:31,240 --> 02:46:27,460
car I don't think so

3179
02:46:34,480 --> 02:46:31,250
it's a it's a fascinating thought would

3180
02:46:37,690 --> 02:46:34,490
are we you know are we somebody that

3181
02:46:40,841 --> 02:46:37,700
they kind of laugh at and and I think so

3182
02:46:42,850 --> 02:46:40,851
now that's not to say that they aren't

3183
02:46:45,910 --> 02:46:42,860
interested of course because there's

3184
02:46:48,160 --> 02:46:45,920
life here of sure absolutely you know

3185
02:46:51,131 --> 02:46:48,170
are they visiting sure absolutely they

3186
02:46:54,881 --> 02:46:51,141
they have to you know this is a planet

3187
02:46:57,580 --> 02:46:54,891
that has life on it so there's that part

3188
02:46:58,200 --> 02:46:57,590
but as far as impressing et with our

3189
02:47:01,320 --> 02:46:58,210
Prague

3190
02:47:04,560 --> 02:47:01,330
ress no we're still killing each other

3191
02:47:08,100 --> 02:47:04,570
here we haven't figured our selves out

3192
02:47:11,610 --> 02:47:08,110
yet right so are we deserving of that

3193
02:47:14,969 --> 02:47:11,620
communication I'm not so sure I'm just

3194
02:47:16,260 --> 02:47:14,979
not just that let's uh let's go to the

3195
02:47:19,830 --> 02:47:16,270
phones how your life I'm fade to black

3196
02:47:23,280 --> 02:47:19,840
who's calling hey Jimmy how are you I'm

3197
02:47:27,020 --> 02:47:23,290
doing good who's calling this is Michael

3198
02:47:30,500 --> 02:47:27,030
from point do Michael from Point Dume

3199
02:47:31,650 --> 02:47:30,510
California yeah we've said hi before

3200
02:47:34,770 --> 02:47:31,660
okay

3201
02:47:36,930 --> 02:47:34,780
what's on your mind man a couple things

3202
02:47:40,860 --> 02:47:36,940
I'm just going to try to capsulize it so

3203
02:47:42,510 --> 02:47:40,870
you can do and run with it always like

3204
02:47:44,760 --> 02:47:42,520
to hear from Linda it was kind of

3205
02:47:49,890 --> 02:47:44,770
concerning to me that she was giving so

3206
02:47:52,490 --> 02:47:49,900
much credit to global warming because

3207
02:47:55,410 --> 02:47:52,500
she wasn't acknowledging the Blue Beam

3208
02:47:57,750 --> 02:47:55,420
that's been going on to accelerate fire

3209
02:48:01,560 --> 02:47:57,760
is always at night always 80 miles an

3210
02:48:03,570 --> 02:48:01,570
hour going on there I do also agree with

3211
02:48:06,180 --> 02:48:03,580
one thing about the projectors that's

3212
02:48:07,850 --> 02:48:06,190
why there's things going on with the Sun

3213
02:48:11,130 --> 02:48:07,860
and the moon that seemed to be

3214
02:48:14,280 --> 02:48:11,140
inconsistent and glitching and as far as

3215
02:48:16,500 --> 02:48:14,290
ETS what have we done it's not so much

3216
02:48:18,420 --> 02:48:16,510
what we have done but what we're trying

3217
02:48:22,469 --> 02:48:18,430
to do that's been repressed by the

3218
02:48:24,690 --> 02:48:22,479
powers that be I think that's why they

3219
02:48:30,030 --> 02:48:24,700
would give us credit is because of the

3220
02:48:32,670 --> 02:48:30,040
desired movement and consistent attempts

3221
02:48:35,160 --> 02:48:32,680
to try to progress even though that we

3222
02:48:40,050 --> 02:48:35,170
are repressed and we're trying to get

3223
02:48:43,710 --> 02:48:40,060
around that somehow true ok and and I

3224
02:48:48,360 --> 02:48:43,720
hear you but let me ask you this do you

3225
02:48:57,180 --> 02:48:48,370
have a bicycle yes ok do you think that

3226
02:48:59,670 --> 02:48:57,190
bicycle would impress et you know what I

3227
02:49:02,460 --> 02:48:59,680
mean that's that's our tech now you know

3228
02:49:05,430 --> 02:49:02,470
that's our that's our technicals you

3229
02:49:08,820 --> 02:49:05,440
know they're fun to ride but you know if

3230
02:49:11,730 --> 02:49:08,830
you're ET looking back at us and they

3231
02:49:15,650 --> 02:49:11,740
see imagine imagine if we went to

3232
02:49:20,720 --> 02:49:15,660
another planet right and any and and and

3233
02:49:24,211 --> 02:49:20,730
the the Adventists advanced race is is

3234
02:49:26,671 --> 02:49:24,221
walking or riding a bike you know that's

3235
02:49:29,700 --> 02:49:26,681
that's as fun they haven't taken things

3236
02:49:33,631 --> 02:49:29,710
to the next level no matter what is

3237
02:49:36,150 --> 02:49:33,641
repressed or no matter what is hidden do

3238
02:49:39,000 --> 02:49:36,160
we have any gravity any gravity

3239
02:49:42,091 --> 02:49:39,010
technology going on at area 51 probably

3240
02:49:45,360 --> 02:49:42,101
but that doesn't mean that's how I am

3241
02:49:47,640 --> 02:49:45,370
getting to the store sometimes I'll

3242
02:49:52,080 --> 02:49:47,650
write a bike you know to go to a store

3243
02:49:55,801 --> 02:49:52,090
to spend money to purchase things to

3244
02:49:58,520 --> 02:49:55,811
bring back to the domicile you know what

3245
02:50:01,650 --> 02:49:58,530
I mean that's where we are in et's eyes

3246
02:50:03,990 --> 02:50:01,660
you know and that's that's what flips me

3247
02:50:10,770 --> 02:50:04,000
out a little bit it shows allottee that

3248
02:50:14,330 --> 02:50:10,780
they don't have how so well you know I

3249
02:50:17,850 --> 02:50:14,340
don't think any AI could ever have the

3250
02:50:21,240 --> 02:50:17,860
sentimentality of having something that

3251
02:50:24,270 --> 02:50:21,250
wasn't exactly cutting-edge or state of

3252
02:50:26,330 --> 02:50:24,280
the art or dn't progression where humans

3253
02:50:30,620 --> 02:50:26,340
have that AI doesn't have in other

3254
02:50:33,631 --> 02:50:30,630
organisms is that we have incredible

3255
02:50:37,261 --> 02:50:33,641
emotions and you know as far as Tesla

3256
02:50:41,730 --> 02:50:37,271
I'm surprised and really I was so happy

3257
02:50:45,450 --> 02:50:41,740
when they finally let Tesla get a one

3258
02:50:48,570 --> 02:50:45,460
one trillions of credit by allowing the

3259
02:50:50,131 --> 02:50:48,580
Tesla car and it's pretty amazing even

3260
02:50:52,860 --> 02:50:50,141
though you know it's not in its perfect

3261
02:50:54,500 --> 02:50:52,870
state but you know there are some things

3262
02:50:57,120 --> 02:50:54,510
that are very impressive about us

3263
02:50:59,610 --> 02:50:57,130
unfortunately most of them are used for

3264
02:51:02,990 --> 02:50:59,620
destruction well that's true Mike but

3265
02:51:06,930 --> 02:51:03,000
then there's this other aspect of of us

3266
02:51:11,370 --> 02:51:06,940
that I'm pretty convinced about and that

3267
02:51:13,830 --> 02:51:11,380
is this 10,000 years from today if we

3268
02:51:16,921 --> 02:51:13,840
haven't blown up this planet but 10,000

3269
02:51:20,910 --> 02:51:16,931
years from today we're not going to be

3270
02:51:24,180 --> 02:51:20,920
us we're not gonna have bodies you know

3271
02:51:25,250 --> 02:51:24,190
we're gonna be advanced beings of some

3272
02:51:28,280 --> 02:51:25,260
kind whether it's

3273
02:51:31,090 --> 02:51:28,290
light or energy do you really think that

3274
02:51:34,910 --> 02:51:31,100
we will be in this fossil fuel

3275
02:51:38,389 --> 02:51:34,920
carbon-based meat sack I don't think so

3276
02:51:41,809 --> 02:51:38,399
so that's all of those things that

3277
02:51:45,139 --> 02:51:41,819
you're referring to now we're eventually

3278
02:51:47,540 --> 02:51:45,149
gonna let go of I would assume I don't

3279
02:51:49,940 --> 02:51:47,550
think we'll be riding bicycles in 10,000

3280
02:51:52,910 --> 02:51:49,950
years you know we certainly won't be

3281
02:51:55,460 --> 02:51:52,920
driving cars and we will have taken

3282
02:51:57,860 --> 02:51:55,470
things to the next level so that's the

3283
02:52:01,670 --> 02:51:57,870
way that I look at it as much as I love

3284
02:52:03,980 --> 02:52:01,680
a v8 you know a vintage Ford Mustang

3285
02:52:06,830 --> 02:52:03,990
burning gas and driving that thing

3286
02:52:09,110 --> 02:52:06,840
around with a four on the floor that's

3287
02:52:10,700 --> 02:52:09,120
an exciting exhilarating thing but I'm

3288
02:52:14,420 --> 02:52:10,710
not so sure that that's going to be part

3289
02:52:16,639 --> 02:52:14,430
of our existence in 10,000 years I would

3290
02:52:17,960 --> 02:52:16,649
agree with you but this is one thing too

3291
02:52:20,570 --> 02:52:17,970
and I'm not trying to play devil's

3292
02:52:23,269 --> 02:52:20,580
advocate I'm just stating what's real I

3293
02:52:26,750 --> 02:52:23,279
think that's why et is so interested in

3294
02:52:29,450 --> 02:52:26,760
us as well is because there are things

3295
02:52:32,059 --> 02:52:29,460
like maglev trains that go from coast to

3296
02:52:35,630 --> 02:52:32,069
coast in two and a half minutes a lot of

3297
02:52:39,679 --> 02:52:35,640
technology that we are not as a whole

3298
02:52:42,800 --> 02:52:39,689
being allowed to use not misused but

3299
02:52:45,320 --> 02:52:42,810
helped flourish and help the general

3300
02:52:48,019 --> 02:52:45,330
people that the government calls us

3301
02:52:51,040 --> 02:52:48,029
progress and I think that's why there's

3302
02:52:53,960 --> 02:52:51,050
an interest in us so much is because

3303
02:52:56,870 --> 02:52:53,970
they want to help us they want to try to

3304
02:53:00,769 --> 02:52:56,880
help figure it out and they may actually

3305
02:53:04,969 --> 02:53:00,779
do have some sort of interest outside of

3306
02:53:07,580 --> 02:53:04,979
the emotionless AI type of stereotype

3307
02:53:09,469 --> 02:53:07,590
that interests them and that's probably

3308
02:53:14,360 --> 02:53:09,479
why we've had our life prolonged this

3309
02:53:18,710 --> 02:53:14,370
far then again I'm with you on that I

3310
02:53:20,690 --> 02:53:18,720
mean to have a positive view of things

3311
02:53:22,940 --> 02:53:20,700
that's the way that I look at life I

3312
02:53:26,360 --> 02:53:22,950
totally agree with you and then there's

3313
02:53:31,309 --> 02:53:26,370
the react the reality side of things is

3314
02:53:34,160 --> 02:53:31,319
this how would we possibly you know I'm

3315
02:53:37,380 --> 02:53:34,170
talking about a reality sense how would

3316
02:53:40,620 --> 02:53:37,390
we possibly communicate

3317
02:53:43,830 --> 02:53:40,630
with something that was a million years

3318
02:53:48,210 --> 02:53:43,840
it you know advanced from us I mean how

3319
02:53:54,090 --> 02:53:48,220
would we possibly do that it in the same

3320
02:53:57,450 --> 02:53:54,100
aspect of if we went if a hundred

3321
02:54:00,120 --> 02:53:57,460
thousand year old if we went back in

3322
02:54:04,979 --> 02:54:00,130
time and and we're hanging out with

3323
02:54:07,349 --> 02:54:04,989
Neanderthal right cro-magnon man how how

3324
02:54:15,389 --> 02:54:07,359
would that communication go down I'm not

3325
02:54:17,280 --> 02:54:15,399
so sure that it could you know I know I

3326
02:54:19,170 --> 02:54:17,290
don't I don't think so i don't think

3327
02:54:25,050 --> 02:54:19,180
that they could relate to us in any

3328
02:54:26,849 --> 02:54:25,060
aspect you know we would again i Batman

3329
02:54:32,639 --> 02:54:26,859
I you know what we will probably give

3330
02:54:35,610 --> 02:54:32,649
them heart attacks I just don't you know

3331
02:54:39,000 --> 02:54:35,620
I just don't I just don't know how that

3332
02:54:43,139 --> 02:54:39,010
could possibly go down the disconnect

3333
02:54:46,050 --> 02:54:43,149
with motive I don't know you know think

3334
02:54:49,530 --> 02:54:46,060
just think about how trippy that would

3335
02:54:51,479 --> 02:54:49,540
be you know or even you know you know

3336
02:54:52,139 --> 02:54:51,489
what they'll forget about a hundred

3337
02:54:56,969 --> 02:54:52,149
thousand years

3338
02:54:59,519 --> 02:54:56,979
you with your intelligence everything

3339
02:55:02,910 --> 02:54:59,529
that you know about everything and you

3340
02:55:05,250 --> 02:55:02,920
were able to go back to 3000 BC you know

3341
02:55:07,500 --> 02:55:05,260
and just life I gonna whip out a bit

3342
02:55:10,550 --> 02:55:07,510
lighter out of your pocket not a cell

3343
02:55:13,170 --> 02:55:10,560
phone you know how about a bit lighter

3344
02:55:17,460 --> 02:55:13,180
you would blow minds

3345
02:55:19,800 --> 02:55:17,470
you know I will far and so now if we

3346
02:55:21,750 --> 02:55:19,810
look at it in the same way how would we

3347
02:55:24,840 --> 02:55:21,760
connect with that type of intelligence

3348
02:55:27,630 --> 02:55:24,850
that would be you know a million years

3349
02:55:29,370 --> 02:55:27,640
you know I I don't know well I think

3350
02:55:30,960 --> 02:55:29,380
give me just like this

3351
02:55:32,910 --> 02:55:30,970
I'm you'll you'll hear with a lot of

3352
02:55:35,849 --> 02:55:32,920
cases and I also believe this very

3353
02:55:38,160 --> 02:55:35,859
seriously it's a common trait of what I

3354
02:55:42,170 --> 02:55:38,170
believe to be truth is that you'll hear

3355
02:55:47,399 --> 02:55:42,180
that abductees or experiencers are shown

3356
02:55:50,370 --> 02:55:47,409
photos videos pictures of this type and

3357
02:55:51,179 --> 02:55:50,380
I think that the visual obviously

3358
02:55:54,000 --> 02:55:51,189
there's

3359
02:55:57,779 --> 02:55:54,010
something that we are worth more than

3360
02:55:59,670 --> 02:55:57,789
just being wasted people here on this

3361
02:56:03,170 --> 02:55:59,680
planet because they still show in a

3362
02:56:08,370 --> 02:56:03,180
great deal of interest and are making

3363
02:56:10,349 --> 02:56:08,380
attempts to try to give us help and give

3364
02:56:12,029 --> 02:56:10,359
us pictures and trying to communicate

3365
02:56:14,880 --> 02:56:12,039
well guess what

3366
02:56:17,580 --> 02:56:14,890
we'd be dust a long time ago yeah I

3367
02:56:20,429 --> 02:56:17,590
totally again you make all the right

3368
02:56:22,859 --> 02:56:20,439
points Mike and thank you for being the

3369
02:56:24,960 --> 02:56:22,869
last call the only call tonight and

3370
02:56:26,460 --> 02:56:24,970
we'll see we'll see you tomorrow night

3371
02:56:30,599 --> 02:56:26,470
on the show thank you so much Mike

3372
02:56:32,910 --> 02:56:30,609
behavior doesn't do anything with you

3373
02:56:34,410 --> 02:56:32,920
and I promise if you look into it watch

3374
02:56:36,689 --> 02:56:34,420
we're gonna have videos coming out that

3375
02:56:37,519 --> 02:56:36,699
it's blue beam I'll talk to you thank

3376
02:56:40,679 --> 02:56:37,529
you Mike

3377
02:56:43,949 --> 02:56:40,689
have a great night all right well that

3378
02:56:44,219 --> 02:56:43,959
will wrap another episode of fade to

3379
02:56:47,729 --> 02:56:44,229
black

3380
02:56:49,620 --> 02:56:47,739
right here on the game-changer Network I

3381
02:56:52,260 --> 02:56:49,630
do want to thank Linda Moulton Howe for

3382
02:56:56,370 --> 02:56:52,270
coming in tonight and at doing this once

3383
02:56:58,260 --> 02:56:56,380
again this year on the show and also I

3384
02:57:02,670 --> 02:56:58,270
want to remind everybody that tomorrow

3385
02:57:05,429 --> 02:57:02,680
night our guest is David Icke live from

3386
02:57:07,859 --> 02:57:05,439
London England we will be discussing his

3387
02:57:10,170 --> 02:57:07,869
new book it's gonna be a great night

3388
02:57:12,300 --> 02:57:10,180
see everybody tomorrow paid to Black's

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02:57:15,479 --> 02:57:12,310
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3390
02:57:17,639 --> 02:57:15,489
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3391
02:57:19,769 --> 02:57:17,649
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3392
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3393
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3395
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3404
02:57:53,630 --> 02:57:52,060
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3405
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3406
02:58:06,850 --> 02:57:56,909
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